Posted on 09/07/2004 4:46:21 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
AP: Lawsuit Gets Bush Guard Papers Out
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By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) was ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard class and flew more than 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.
The Pentagon (news - web sites) and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and crafted new requests under the public records law.
"Previous requests from other requesters for President Bush's Individual Flight Records did not lead to the discovery of these records because at the time President Bush left the service, flight records were subject to retention for only 24 months and we understood that neither the Air Force nor the Texas Air National Guard retained such records thereafter," the Pentagon told the AP.
"Out of an abundance of caution," the government "searched a file that had been preserved in spite of this policy" and found the Bush records, the letter said. "The Department of Defense (news - web sites) regrets this oversight during the previous search efforts."
The records show Bush, a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, was ranked No. 22 in a class of 53 pilots when he finished his flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.
Over the next three years, he logged 326.4 hours as a pilot and an additional 9.9 hours as a co-pilot, mostly in his the F-102a jet used to intercept
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bttt
All this because "Cut & Run" Kerry didn't complete his obligation until 1978 or later (along with disregard for his conduct before discharge) and is attempting to divert from his own "service". The Kerry Kampaign should prepare their candidate for Levenworth, not the White House.
The AF BEGGED me not to enter the AF as a pilot. They had too many.
However, THEY had signed the contract WITH ME ... and despite their begging, I demanded that they fulfill their contract and enter me into pilot training. They held me back 8-9 months first, but I did finally go to Laughlin. The AF was DESPERATELY trying to get rid of pilots with the RIF (Reduction in Force) stuff. They were more than happy when someone like Lt.Bush asked to be given a non-flying position, for whatever reason.
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For some reason, Yahoo AP left this paragraph off:
The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040908/D84V54IG0.html
*sigh*...you're probably correct.
This is what I think is really important to be released - it bothers me much more than records 30 years old!
I would consider it to be fair to assign about an extra 3-4 hours per flight for mission planning and debriefing.
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http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9259
This article is all I need to know..case closed.
Here is the UNEDITED AP report:
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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard flight class and flew 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill in 1972, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.
The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.
"Previous requests from other requesters for President Bush's Individual Flight Records did not lead to the discovery of these records because at the time President Bush left the service, flight records were subject to retention for only 24 months and we understood that neither the Air Force nor the Texas Air National Guard retained such records thereafter," the Pentagon told the AP.
"Out of an abundance of caution," the government "searched a file that had been preserved in spite of this policy" and found the Bush records, the letter said. "The Department of Defense regrets this oversight during the previous search efforts."
(AP) A copy of George W. Bush's paystub from when serving in the Air National Guard, released by the...
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Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard has become an issue in the presidential campaign as the candidates spar over who would make the best commander in chief. Supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, have criticized Bush for serving stateside in the National Guard. Kerry's Republican critics claim Kerry did not deserve some of his five medals.
Bush has repeatedly said he is proud of his Air National Guard service. White House spokesmen said as late as last week the administration knew of no other records of Bush's military service.
"These documents confirm that the president served honorably in the National Guard," White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said Tuesday night.
The newly released records show Bush, a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, ranked No. 22 in a class of 53 pilots when he finished his flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.
Over the next three years, he logged 326.4 hours as a pilot and an additional 9.9 hours as a co-pilot, mostly in his the F-102A jet used to intercept enemy aircraft. Of the 278 hours he flew in the interceptor, about 77 hours were in the TF-102A, the two-seat trainer version of the one-seat fighter jet.
(AP) George W. Bush poses in his Texas Air National Guard uniform in this undated file photo. Documents...
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The records show his last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a large lapse of duty between April and October of that year. Bush has said he went to Alabama in 1972 to work on an unsuccessful Republican Senate campaign. Bush skipped a required medical exam that cost him his pilot's status in August of that year.
Bush's 2000 campaign suggested the future president skipped his medical exam in part because the F-102A was nearly obsolete. Records show Bush's Texas unit flew the F-102A until 1974 and used the jets as part of an air defense drill during 1972.
A six-month historical record of his 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, also turned over to the AP on Tuesday, shows some of the training Bush missed with his colleagues during that time.
Significantly, it showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United State beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a time when Bush did not report for duty, according to his pay records.
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972.
As part of the mission, the 147th kept two F-102a jets - the same Bush flew before he was grounded - on ready alert to be launched within five minutes' warning.
The records also show Bush made a grade of 88 on total airmanship and a perfect 100 for flying without navigational instruments, operating a T-38 System and studying applied aerodynamics. Other scores ranged from 89 in flight planning to 98 in aviation physiology.
The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.
I suspect that, since he was not FLYING while he was in Alabama with a NON-FLYING unit, that the commander there could not have cared less that he missed such an exam. If the guy is still alive, this might be the first time he ever thought it might ever be significant. The commander of the TX unit didn't care, either: he probably didn't have enough flying hours to assign his unit and worrying about accomodating a pilot who was technically in his unit, but legally assigned and attached to one in Alabama would have been the furthest thing from his thoughts.
The military was trying to rid itself of pilots in '72-'75.
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Thanks!
Maybe it's the Mefloquine working its way out of my system, but for some reason that stutter, there, called to mind a Chia Pet in the likeness of a bust of John Phoney Kerry.
Boy, did I ever pick the wrong day....
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
ye olde tempest in a teapot... sKerry's campaign is eventually going to regret placing so much emphasis on military service...
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This is really weird:
This article:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040907/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_national_guard
says this:
Bush's lone service in October came at another air base an Alabama, where he sought temporary permission to train away from his assigned squadron.
But this article:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040908/D84V54IG0.html
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972.
By the same author.
Look at 134.
And besides the fact that Kerry got his medals on a con,then threw them (or his ribbons/someone else's medals) away,his running mate NEVER served at all.
The people who lived through the Nam era would just as soon forget it.Those who didn't,don't give a damn about it.Yet Kerry,in his and his handlers' infinite "wisdom" ,make it the centerpiece of the campaign. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!
The Shame...The Shame!
George W. Bush spent his first 4 1/2 years in the Texas Air National Guard learning to fly, and flying one of the most dangerous Fighter Jets ever flown. The F-102 Delta Dart was a heavy underpowered Jet Fighter that had a high casualty rate and hard to fly. George W. Bush scored above average in his flying ability and average on his written exams.
George W. Bush had over 350 Hours of flight time in a F-102 and in 1972 he asked if he could be transfered to the Alabama Guard so he could work on campaigning for a family friend. The request was granted because the F-102 was being phased out of service and there was not going to be any need for his skills in just a few months.
The Alabama National Guard did not have any F-102's for George W. Bush to fly so he did not have to maintain his readiness status, so he didn't bother to take the physical and only showed up when he had to. (MANY OTHERS DID THE SAME. IT WAS COMMON PLACE)
The AP makes it sound like The Alabama Guard had 2 F-102's on strip alert in Alabama, but notice that they say "THE 147th" Well the 147th was part of the Texas Air National Guard and nothing to do with the Alabama Guard.
In short... There was nothing for George W. Bush to fly in Alabama and his time was so short that they didn't want to train him for another Jet Fighter if he wasn't going to reenlist, so they had him sign in and read magazines and do landscaping instead of drills. When he requested an early departure so he could go back to College, the Military granted his request and gave him an Honorable Discharge and that is the end of the story.
NOWHERE is their a single document that suggests George W. Bush was ever AWOL or delinquent. The left and their enablers in the Main Stream Media are simply desperate
There is one heck of a difference, GROOVY!
I find nothing at all news worthy about these NG records. AP seems to make a big deal about some October mission when he was in AL. Wonder if it dawned on anyone at the AP that it is not possible for someone cannot be at two places at once?
The rating scores are all excellent for Bush, hardly something a drunk crack-head could produce :-)
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