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Carville TRASHES Zell!!!
Meet the Press | Sixxiron

Posted on 09/06/2004 12:32:58 AM PDT by sixxiron

With the new "dream team" of Carville and Begala in place, I thought it worthy of posting Carville's utter trashing of Zell and his blaming Republicans for making Zell turn on his Dem buddies. Key points: Zell Miller was Carville's former employer and Miller officiated Carvilles wedding!!! There is no bottom for Carville and this marks the beginning of the next phase in the battle for the White House. I wonder if Carl Rove forced Zell into writing a best-selling book which chronicled his disgust with his party more than a year ago.

Here is the transcript from MTP:

MR. RUSSERT: James Carville you ran that man's campaign for governor of Georgia in 1990.

MR. CARVILLE: Right, I did. It's a shame they put that poor man out there in the twilight of his career with a bunch of half-truths. Then they put him on TV after, out there making a fool of himself, and they're showing how he said, "Well, you said Kerry did this." It's the very thing that Dick Cheney recommended. "You said that he called them occupiers." In fact, President Bush had called them occupiers on three separate occasions.

You know, it's a shame, because Senator Miller's had a distinguished mid-career, and I'm very sad for him and the people that work for him that he's going to be remembered, as Joe Klein said, you know, probably the most, you know, hate-filled speech that he's ever seen at a convention. But the problem is, how does a man who sits on this thing, the vice president, who says that we expect to be greeted with roses and you said--you asked him in a follow-up question, "Well, suppose there's insurgents?" He said, "Tim, we don't expect that." How could he possibly, possibly question John Kerry's judgment about being fit to make decisions as a commander in chief?

The record of this administration is already out there. The president has admitted--and when it comes to the war on terror, in June, President Bush said, we can win the war on terror. By August, he had changed his mind and said we can't win the war on terror. So I think there are legitimate questions about judgment. I think there are legitimate questions that don't relate to what happened in Vietnam or not. But they relate to the record of this administration, the miscalculations, the errors and they are all in that report from this royal institute in London, that we've already lost this. We're not going to have a democracy there.

MR. RUSSERT: Mary Matalin, the vice president did say we'd be greeted as liberators, and now, Jim Schlesinger, Republican secretary of defense said that we are unprepared for the insurgency.

MS. MATALIN: We have never, ever, in our history or any history in war, found on the ground plans that went exactly as were planned. It's called the moment of contingency. We have said, the president has said, that the march to Baghdad was completed more expeditiously than had been expected. And it is true that Iraq's become a magnet for all the terrorist, and we do want to fight them there. We don't want to fight them here. And we are winning. This Iraq is in a relatively short period of time on the road to self-government.

MR. RUSSERT: Senator Miller, spitballs, weak, wobbly. Was he over the top?

MS. MATALIN: No, this is--you know, Senator Miller is a man of great passion. If you look at his 1992 keynote Democratic convention speech, he was equally passionate. This is a man who is angry at his party, his party who left him. He is a delightful and loving and wonderful man who officiate at our wedding.

MR. CARVILLE: I love Senator Zell. I'm just so angry at what those cynical Republicans did to him, putting him up. and making him stay stuff that is indefensible.

MS. MATALIN: Well, you know, Senator Miller...

MR. CARVILLE: ...sticking him on TV when he was questioned on it...

MS. MATALIN: Senator Miller, since he's been in office, has been with the president. I saw him regularly on the Hill when I would go up there with the vice president. He was disappointed with his party on economic issues, on these issues of war and peace. He is a wonderful senator. He is a passionate man, brought just as much passion to the Democratic convention in 1992 and these guys just don't like the truth.

MR. RUSSERT: We've got to...

MR. CARVILLE: The difference is when Paul wrote Senator Miller's speech in '92 it was based on fact. When Karl Rove wrote Senator Miller's speech in 2004...

MS. MATALIN: Senator Miller wrote his own speech.

MR. CARVILLE: ...it was based on no fact.

MS. MATALIN: I think I know who wrote Miller's speech.

MR. CARVILLE: You know?

MS. MATALIN: Senator Miller wrote his own speech.


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To: sixxiron

Evidently loyalty to one's old friends is another of Carvile's failings.


41 posted on 09/06/2004 4:44:45 AM PDT by OldFriend (GIVE EM ZELL)
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To: OldFriend

Remember this: Carville run on Zell's pro-expansion of government agenda while Zell was Governor of Georgia, and Zell's Government Expansion has spread to South Carolina and Tennessee. Now North Carolina and Oklahoma are both looking with their Dem Governors to copy Zell's Bigger Government Bigger Than The State Corporations plan.


42 posted on 09/06/2004 4:53:45 AM PDT by Bobby Chang (Deut 31:6-8)
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To: Bonaparte
Do you agree with Carville

I never agree with Carville. I am just saying he is extremely good at what he does. You have to respect that on some level.

43 posted on 09/06/2004 5:38:16 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Re the old Kerry flyer: Nice find. Orwell's "Animal Farm" was right on the money--most of the animals don't pay attention, aren't too bright, or are forgetful. Politicians can usually take positions that completely contradict those they've taken previously if they just wait a while.


44 posted on 09/06/2004 7:30:22 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Beslan -- the true face of Islam.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I can't take credit for the find. Diotima posted it way back in February. I'm just putting it everywhere I can so people will be able to cut off the talking points: "Kerry isn't against defense spending. He was just voting against pork-laden omibus bills." Sorry, this disproves that spin.

Darn that paper trail, and the internet that can disperse it.


45 posted on 09/06/2004 8:07:44 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten."--Putin / "A more sensitive war on terror." --Kerry)
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To: searchandrecovery

Oh man, that McGreevy comment is bothering me. The name is fresh in my mind, but I'm forgetting the context. Heeeeeelllp! LOL


46 posted on 09/06/2004 8:17:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Bonaparte
She sees something in him that we don't.

His wallet, perhaps?

47 posted on 09/06/2004 8:54:20 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: Niks
Does Carville think Karl Rove wrote Zell Miller's book...

He must.

48 posted on 09/06/2004 8:56:28 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: Glenn
" I am just saying he is extremely good at what he does."

Nobody familiar with his track record is going to question that. He knows how to win elections. That said, his public statements are frequently over the top -- the latest example being his claim that the Republicans somehow coerced Miller into writing and delivering that convention speech. Carville, of all people, should very well that nobody coerces Miller into anything.

49 posted on 09/06/2004 1:48:44 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: sixxiron

Carville, be glad I'm not in control. Discussion would be over.


50 posted on 09/06/2004 1:54:17 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: sixxiron

Here's the text of Zell Miller's 1992 speech to the Democratic Convention on behalf of Bill Clinton. Sounds to me like he's the same fiery speaker that they embraced then. Note his words about Bush 41 (could they not be described as "hateful"? Only, now, he's using that fiery speech against one of their own; and they dare call it "hate" speech.

See what you think:

"Zell Miller's Keynote Speech:
'Listen To This Voice'

NEW YORK, July 13, 1992

Here is the prepared text of the
keynote address of Monday night
by Georgia Gov. Zell Miller's to
the Democratic National Convention:


Listen to this voice.
It's a voice flavored by the Blue Ridge ... a voice
straight out of a remote valley hidden among the peaks and
hollows of the Appalachian Mountains ... a voice that's been
described as more barbed wire than honeysuckle.
That this kind of voice could travel here from a forgotten
corner of Appalachia is a testament to the grace of God and the
greatness of the Democratic Party.
This week we are gathered here to nominate a man from a
remote, rural corner of Arkansas to be president of the United
States of America.
That is powerful proof that the American dream still
lives... at least in the Democratic Party.
Bill Clinton is the only candidate for president who feels
our pain, shares our hopes and will work his heart out to
fulfill our dreams.
You see, I understand why Bill Clinton is so eager to see
the American dream kept alive for a new generation.
Because I, too, was a product of that dream.
I was born during the worst of the Depression on a cold
winter's day in the drafty bedroom of a rented house, and I was
my parent's hope for the future.
Franklin Roosevelt was elected that year, and would soon
replace generations of neglect with a whirlwind of activity,
bringing to our little valley a very welcome supply of God's
most precious commodity - hope.
My father, a teacher, died when I was two weeks old,
leaving a young widow with two small children.
But with my mother's faith in God - and Mr. Roosevelt's
voice on the radio - we kept going.
After my father's death, my mother with her own hands
cleared a small piece of rugged land.
Every day she waded into a neighbor's cold mountain creek,
carrying out thousands of smooth stones to build a house.
I grew up watching my mother complete that house from the
rocks she'd lifted from the creek and cement she mixed in a
wheelbarrow - cement that today still bears her hand prints.
Her son bears her hand prints, too.
She pressed her pride and her hopes and her dreams deep
into my soul.
So, you see, I know what Dan Quayle means when he says it's
best for children to have two parents.
You bet it is!
And it would be nice for them to have trust funds, too.
But we can't all be born rich, handsome and lucky ... and
that's why we have a Democratic Party.
My family would still be isolated and destitute if we had
not had FDR's Democratic brand of government.
I made it because Franklin Delano Roosevelt energized this
nation.
I made it because Harry Truman fought for working families
like mine.
I made it because John Kennedy's rising tide lifted even
our tiny boat.
I made it because Lyndon Johnson showed America that people
who were born poor didn't have to die poor.
And I made it because a man with whom I served in the
Georgia Senate - a man named Jimmy Carter - brought honesty and
decency and integrity to public service.
But what of the kids of today?
Who fights for the child of a single mother today? Because
without a government that is on their side, those children have
no hope. And when a child has no hope, a nation has no future.
I am a Democrat because we are the party of hope.
For 12 dark years the Republicans have dealt in cynicism
and skepticism. They've mastered the art of division and
diversion, and they have robbed us of our hope.
Too many mothers today cannot tell their children what my
mother told me - that working hard and playing by the rules can
make your dreams come true.
For millions, the American dream has become what the poet
called ''a dream deferred.''
And if you recall those words, he warned us that a dream
deferred can explode.
Robbed of hope, the voices of anger rise up, rise up from
working Americans, who are tired of paying more in taxes and
getting less in services.
And George Bush doesn't get it?
Americans cannot understand why the rich can buy the best
health care in the world, but all the rest of us get is rising
costs and cuts in coverage, or no health insurance at all.
And George Bush doesn't get it?
Americans cannot walk our streets in safety, because our
''tough-on-crime'' president has waged a phony war on drugs,
posing for pictures while cutting police, prosecutors and
prisons.
And George Bush doesn't get it?
Americans have seen plants closed down, jobs shipped
overseas and our hopes fade away as our economic position
collapses right before our very eyes.
And George Bush does not get it!
Four years ago, Mr. Bush told us he was a quiet man, who
hears the voices of quiet people.
Today, we know the truth. George Bush is a timid man who
hears only the voices of caution and the status quo.
Let's face facts: George Bush just doesn't get it.
He doesn't see it; he doesn't feel it, and he's done
nothing about it.
That's why we cannot afford four more years.
If the ''education president'' gets another term, even our
kids won't be able to spell potato.
If the ''law and order president'' gets another term, the
criminals will run wild, because our commander-in-chief talks
like Dirty Harry, but acts like Barney Fife.
If the ''environmental president'' gets another term, the
fish he catches off Kennebunkport will have three eyes.
And folks, after January, George Bush is going to have
plenty of time to go fishing.
So much for the millionaire.
But we've still got ourselves a billionaire ... a
billionaire!
He says he's an outsider who will shake up the system in
Washington.
But as far back as 1974 he was lobbying Congress for tax
breaks. He tried to turn $55,000 in contributions into a
special $15 million tax loophole that was tailor-made for him.
Sounds to me like instead of shaking the system up, Mr.
Perot's been shaking it down.
Ross says he'll clean out the barn, but he's been knee deep
in it for years.
If Ross Perot's an outsider, folks I'm from Brooklyn.
Mr. Perot's giving us salesmanship, not leadership. And
we're not buying it.
And so the choice in this election is clear - we've got us
a race between an aristocrat, an autocrat and a Democrat.
I know who I'm for.
I'm for Bill Clinton because he is a Democrat who does not
have to read a book or be briefed about the struggles of
single-parent families, or what it means to work hard for
everything he's ever received in life.
There was no silver spoon in sight when he was born, three
months after his father died.
No one ever gave Bill Clinton a free ride as he worked his
way through college and law school.
And the people at Yale couldn't believe it when he turned
down a good job in Washington to return to Arkansas and teach.
Bill Clinton is a Democrat who has the courage to tell some
of those liberals who think welfare should continue forever,
and some of those conservatives who think there should be no
welfare at all, that they're both wrong.
He's a Democrat who will move people off the welfare rolls
and onto the job rolls.
Bill Clinton is a Democrat who has the courage to lead a
real war on crime here at home.
And around the world he will be the kind of
commander-in-chief this old Marine sergeant would be proud to
follow. That either one of us was able, one growing up in an
Appalachian valley and the other in rural Arkansas, to
eventually become governors of our states is a tribute to the
American dream and yes, the Democratic Party that makes it a
reality.
When I was growing up back in the mountains, whenever I
felt like one of life's losers, my mother used to point to the
one and only paved road in our valley - a narrow little strip
that disappeared winding its way through a distant gap - and
she'd say, ''You know what's so great about this place? You can
get anywhere in the world from here.''
Thanks to her and to God, the United States Marine Corps
and the Democratic Party, I did go somewhere.
But I've never really left that mountain valley.
Shirley and I, our children and their children still live
in the Appalachian town of Young Harris, Ga. And tonight, one
of my sons is sitting in front of the television set in the
living room of that same rock house my mother and her neighbors
built so many years ago.
Tonight, let our message be heard in every living room in
every home in America.
Wherever families and friends are gathered, let them know
this. We have a leader and a party and a platform that says to
the everyday working people of this country:
We will fight your fight.
We will ease your burden.
We will carry your cause.
We will hear all the voices of America, from the silky
harmonies of the Gospel choirs to the rough-edged rhythms of a
hot country band, from the razor's edge rap of the inner city
to the soaring beauty of the finest soprano.
We hear your voice, America.
We hear your voice.
We will answer your call.
We will keep the faith.
And we will restore your hope.
Thank you. God bless you. And God bless America.


51 posted on 09/06/2004 2:08:44 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: max_rpf

Wonder what he'll be wearing this November ?


52 posted on 09/06/2004 8:24:57 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: sixxiron

CARVILE 24-7!! Bush would win 80-20!! MORE CARVILE PLEASE!! More Beckel..More Lanny...More Begala...More MOORE!! The America people areSICK of these haters! It only helps W!!


53 posted on 09/06/2004 8:35:00 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: sixxiron
Don't you love it, the mean old Republicans put a gun to Zell's head and made him give that speech.
No debate on the substance just demean and excoriate the opposition even if he is a senior Democrat who saw the light.
This all they have in their play book, the one they have been using since 1992, smear your opponent but never answer the charges or debate the issues.
You would think after 10 years of losing elections they would see this doesn't work but they just don't get it and won't.
Kerry is indeed a thin skinned, delusional, effete snob who thinks he is Jack Kennedy and should be President based only on his 4 months as a Swift Boat Captain.
He will never talk about his senate record because he hasn't one to speak of.
Lord if these are the new qualifications for being President then I expect the Captain of a Garbage Scow to next run, he already knows about garbage that should immediately qualify him to be around politicians.
54 posted on 09/06/2004 8:43:20 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: sixxiron

55 posted on 09/06/2004 8:44:19 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Yes, there's still time to buy my book.)
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To: sixxiron

I couldn't bring myself to read that dribble, but I'm confident that Carville didn't actually respond to Zell's arguments.


56 posted on 09/06/2004 8:49:42 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: sixxiron
"Carville and Begala "

They're REALLY desperate if they're bringing out Scuzzy and Scummy.

57 posted on 09/06/2004 8:53:25 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: Glenn
"The man is good at what he does. He hasn't lost a step. Had Kerry not been so high on himself, Carville would have him ahead in the polls right now. Carville is the master of staying on message."

Nonsense. Carville is talking about Zell Miller (a Democrat), a Republican convention, and Vietnam.

HINT: that ain't Senator Kerry's message!

Right now *all* of Kerry's staff is flailing about, off message. Carville and Begala and Soosa will be hard-pressed to ride herd over their own staff, much less come up with any meaningful offensive.

Zell Miller and Bill Clinton made Carville look good back when he ran their campaigns. Except, he's not good, he's simply better than most other Democratic Party strategists.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

58 posted on 09/06/2004 8:59:02 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: nutmeg

bttt


59 posted on 09/06/2004 9:04:48 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: sixxiron
Matalin should never, ever be trusted with anything. I wouldn't trust her for directions in my own home town. Lain down with scum, she now is scum too: She married a lying scumbag and now one of them has been coopted.

Who here thinks Carville was the weaker one?

60 posted on 09/06/2004 9:12:08 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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