One person, one vote? Not always Some cast two ballots in a single election

K.C.Star ^ | sept 5 2004 | GREG REEVES

[Eric in the Ozarks]

When 15 people go through the voting booth in St. Louis and cast 34 votes, (as actually happened in the 2000 election) you know something stinks. Perhaps the Star's editorial department just woke up.

[Smartaleck]

Wonder why they didn't disclose the party affiliation of these frauds?

[Auntie Mame]

to even discuss vote fraud is a shocker.

You're right. We should be grateful for such blessings. ; - )

[bad company]

Wonder why they didn't disclose the party affiliation of these frauds?

Do we even have to ask?

[bvw]

One person, one vote.

Sounds nice, eh? But is it?

We are a REPRESENTATIVE Republic. Not a pure deomcracy. One person, one vote is NOT fundamental to freedom, to Liberty, to fairness, to sensititivity, nor to longevity of the system, nor to the basic requirements of the Constitution and the Constitutions -- Federal and State.

In 1921 a MAJORITY of the people, imo, would have likely brought back slavery in a worse form than original -- the majority would have totally defranchised ANY negro, slave or free.

In 1863 it's likely, imo, a MAJORITY of people were AGAINST the Civil War and would have voted to STOP it -- slavery would have continued in the CSA for many many years. Not forever, but many years longer. And in that what-if when WWII broke out, chances are both the USA and the CSA would have stood by and watched -- if not one of us supporting the Germans! Isn't one man, one vote FUN?

In 1776 the OVERWHELMING majority did NOT support the Revolution, and chances are a simple majority favored a continuance of our being a mere colony of Royal England.

Oh, yeah! Democracy is GREAT!

[Elle Bee]

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Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens our Democracy

By John Fund

The Florida Fiasco of 2000, with hanging chads, butterfly ballots and Supreme Court intervention, forced Americans to confront an ugly reality. The U.S. has the sloppiest election systems of any industrialized nation, so sloppy that at least eight of the 19 hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were actually able to register to vote in either Virginia or Florida while they made their deadly preparations for 9/11.

In Stealing Elections, John Fund takes the reader on a national tour of voter fraud scandals ranging from rural states like Texas and Mississippi to big cities such as Philadelphia and Milwaukee. He explores dark episodes such as the way "vote brokers" stole a mayoral election in Miami in 1998 by tampering with 4700 absentee ballots. He shows how, in the aftermath of the Motor Voter Law of 1993, Californians used mail-in forms to get absentee ballots for fictitious people and pets, while in St. Louis it was discovered that voter rolls included 13,000 more names than the U.S. Census listed as the total number of adults in the city.

Election officials try to reassure voters by turning to computerized voting machines. But Fund shows that with the new technology come even greater concerns. Early in 2004, for instance, the state of Maryland, which has 16,000 new Diebold machines, commissioned a security expert to try to rig a practice election. He and his team broke into the computer at the State Board of Elections, completely changed the outcome of the election, left, and erased their electronic trail—all in under five minutes.

Stealing Elections gives us a chilling portrait of our electoral vulnerability—in the 2004 presidential election and on into the future. Writing with urgency and authority, John Fund shows how a lethal combination of bureaucratic bungling and ballot rigging have put our democracy at risk.

John Fund is a member of the Wall Street Journal's editorial board and writes the paper's daily Political Diary. He has written on voter fraud and election irregularities for the last decade in the Wall Street Journal, New Republic, American Spectator and other publications. In the past year, Fund has made over 90 appearances on Fox News, MSNBC, C-Span, and CNBC.

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[AgThorn]

Where is the info on the prosecution of these crimes? As long as we don't enforce the laws, and fine them severely and make a lot of press out of it, this will continue to be a problem. Ashcroft should act and act visibily before the next election ... which means NOW!! Especially in states that have a history of this (Wisconsin, Florida, Illinois, etc.)

I don't have to guess who the party affiliation of most if not all of these double-voters probably are ...

[Just mythoughts]

"When 15 people go through the voting booth in St. Louis and cast 34 votes, (as actually happened in the 2000 election) you know something stinks. Perhaps the Star's editorial department just woke up."


This is why I believe that "IF" only legal votes were counted in the 2000 election President Bush would have won the popular vote.

[Smartaleck]

"Do we even have to ask?"

IN NY Of the 46,000 registered in both states, 68% are Democrats, 12% are Republicans.

YES

[pepsionice]

The law is on the books. We don't need anymore laws. What we do need is some kinda national database of voters. You register by your social security number and if you show up twice...then we give 48 hours to clear up the "misunderstanding". If you vote in two states...then you deserve any ounce of the punishment. Its real simple. And as for this absentee voting mess...if we don't start to watch over it...then double-voting will creep up into it too.

But if no one wants to do anything about this...then lets all go up to Boston in 3 years for summer vacation...and get registered. We could bring in 250,000 additional votes and really wreck the democratic voting machine there.

[JustaCowgirl]

Or let's all take a vacation in the Western part of South Dakota and get registered there.

[TASMANIANRED]

No Party affiliations mentioned. Anybody want to speculate what they might be.

Democrats feel justified in cheating and resort to violence when they are denied.

The lawyer doesn't have a problem with it because he is a party faithful and expects them to protect him.

[Always Right]

Democrats feel justified in cheating and resort to violence when they are denied.

Everything Dems complain about is stuff that they are actively engaged in and to a much larger extent than Republicans. They complain about Hollywood blacks lists and McCarthyism, but anyone who knows anything about Hollywoood knows it is the liberals who blacklist conservatives. They complain about voter fraud, but it is Democratic districts that have more votes than voters. They complain about SBVT ads, when their negative 527's have spent almost 100 times more on attack ads.

[eccentric]

That's how Republican Kansas got shafted with a left-wing Democrap Governor. And don't expect her to stop this practice.

[darth]

Here in Texas it is common for some people to re-register every time they move as well as register at homes of relatives or friends. On election day they collect a tidy sum for voting in multiple precincts. Its an easy scam.

[xp38]

I realize this is off a bit on a tangent but in comparing populations of the largest and smallest states in US Senate races 1 Wyoming voter is equal to about 60 to 70 California voters.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I do, too.
Back out all the dead people and their dogs who voted in St. Louis and Chicago, then add in the absentee military votes blocked by Algore and Co and the 500,000 popular vote issue would evaporate like Kerry's Purple Heart credibility.

[Pilsner]

• 2000: Election Day becomes a mess in St. Louis, with charges of fraud and manipulation, as some polls stayed open three hours past closing time to accommodate long lines.

In Texas everyone in line at closing time is allowed to vote. From what I recall of 2000, the three extra hours was not to accommodate "long lines" of people who showed up to vote on time, but rather to allow people to show up and vote after the polls were to have closed.

[bad company]

Two more years.