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Giuliani Honor Draws Anti-Abortion Fire
NY Times ^ | September 5, 2004 | DANIEL J. WAKIN

Posted on 09/04/2004 10:15:59 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 09/04/2004 10:15:59 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; NYC GOP Chick; ...

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2 posted on 09/04/2004 10:19:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide. My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning."

From "Abortion and The Conscience of a Nation" (1983), by President Ronald Reagan.

3 posted on 09/04/2004 10:19:20 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: neverdem

I'm certain that the NYT has come down equally hard on Kerry. Oh? They haven't? Hmmmm.


4 posted on 09/04/2004 10:19:28 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (You have entered a "No Girlie Men" zone. Thank you for not whining and sniveling.)
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To: neverdem

I do think the world of Rudy, but I have to agree with this article. One can't say that Kerry should not receive communion but we will name a wing after another pro-abortionist. Consistancy is called for.

The Republican party has more room in it for people that are different on this view, but the Catholic church should not.


5 posted on 09/04/2004 10:19:48 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: cpforlife.org; Coleus; Mr. Silverback; hocndoc; Polycarp IV

I thought you folks might find this interesting.


6 posted on 09/04/2004 10:20:18 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

The Democrats are completely off message. Here in this article they're attacking both Giuliani and the Catholic church. Elsewhere they're attacking Zell Miller, Dick Cheney, and President Bush. They're complaining about healthcare, jobs, and who served 35 years ago back in some war called "Vietnam" that half of today's population doesn't even remember.

They are clearly spooked, reeling backwards, and rudderless at the moment.

Life is good.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

7 posted on 09/04/2004 10:21:14 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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8 posted on 09/04/2004 10:28:21 PM PDT by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: neverdem
The Deadly Dozen

Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians

Kerry [Catholic} says he'll filibuster Supreme Court nominees who do not support abortion rights

Kerry: Abortion, HELL is a Reality and we are Free to Choose it, Bishop Samuel J. Aquila, Fargo

Teresa on the Stump, Teresa Heinz Kerry, from Mozambique, PRO-ABORTION Catholic, UN Employee, etc.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, Drummond Pike and the Communist TIDES FOUNDATION

Sin to vote for pro-abortion politicians?
By Father Matthew Habiger, OSB

Newark Archbishop Pressures and Angers Officeholders Over Anti-Abortion Decree

Kerry Will Hold Pro-Abortion Rally Prior to Sunday's Abortion March

Separation of church and state becomes political issue in N.J.

NJ politicians: Catholic Church is seeking too big a role, Senate leader leaves Church

NJN Video: State Senator Bernard Kenny Leaves the Catholic Church

Church, State and Dinner (Barf!)McGreevey: Church wrong to dictate to Catholic politicians

Kerry, Candidate and Catholic, Creates Uneasiness for Church

A Primer on Canon 915 Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion

Excommunicate Kerry Website

Catholics Against Kerry

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

Canon Law and Abortion

Sign Petition: To  Excommunicate Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians

The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae

Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

Kerry’s Dirty Deeds (How, pray tell, do they comport with religious belief

Vatican Worries About Kerry

John Kerry and Unborn Victims

Kerry and Kenned, etc., Catholic Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual

Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

KERRY TAKES COMMUNION AMID CONTROVERSY

Kerry Ignores Reproaches of Some Bishops

Pro-Life Group Protests Pro-Abortion Kerry's Speech at Georgetown

Partial Birth Abortion Ban Court Transcripts (Please read & Forward to EVERYONE)  Kerry and many Catholic Politicians support this!!

9 posted on 09/04/2004 10:28:47 PM PDT by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: neverdem

I hope it is not the maternity wing.


10 posted on 09/04/2004 10:39:04 PM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: Coleus

Thanks for the links.


11 posted on 09/04/2004 10:45:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: AgThorn
Rudy is divorced, so that clears up the Communion issue. As far as a hospital being named after him, they should name it after him. Many marriages are annulled, people receive absolution, and in this case a hospital should be named in his honor.

God will be the final judge of all of us for our deeds and opinions. For now, NYC should be the judge of what they want to name their hospital. IMHO, I would not be surprised to see miracles performed there.

12 posted on 09/04/2004 10:53:48 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: World'sGoneInsane

But, it's a Catholic Hospital ...

Also, Divorce does not necesarilly make a catholic not eligible for communion, but it is one of the drivers for the mass number of anullments. And few divorce Catholics, although made to feel like they are second class citizens, continue to receive communion .... the church is full of rediculous rules which are optionally enforced, and mostly ignored, which makes the rules look foolish.


13 posted on 09/04/2004 11:00:43 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: AgThorn
.... the church is full of rediculous rules which are optionally enforced, and mostly ignored, which makes the rules look foolish.

That is true, and that being said, let them break the rules for someone like Rudy whose deeds and virtues probably far outweight any of his sins against the church.

14 posted on 09/04/2004 11:05:57 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: neverdem

I personally don't understand how an intelligent person like him can agree with killing babies and that alone will lose him millions of his party votes if he elects to run for national office.


15 posted on 09/05/2004 2:51:14 AM PDT by garylmoore (Repeat: They made a mistake, they didn't count of George W. Bush.)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

let them break the rules for someone like Rudy whose deeds and virtues probably far outweight any of his sins against the church.

Sorry, but I can't forgive someone who agrees with killing babies and it's not a sin against the church but against humanity.


16 posted on 09/05/2004 2:57:13 AM PDT by garylmoore (Repeat: They made a mistake, they didn't count of George W. Bush.)
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To: neverdem

Simple: have the Church ask Rudy to change his views.


17 posted on 09/05/2004 3:02:04 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry deserves to be the last casualty of the Vietnam War.)
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Simple: have the Church ask Rudy to change his views.

That would be harder than having him change his views on the Second Amendment.

18 posted on 09/05/2004 3:20:03 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: garylmoore

I guess Rudy will have to take his chance with God and voters collectively judging him. One thing you will find with Rudy, there will be no flip flopping just to please you. He might negotiate, but won't change his opinion just for a vote.


19 posted on 09/05/2004 7:48:12 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: garylmoore

Rudy Giuliani is personally opposed to abortion. I know that draws scorn from some, but the truth is that we needed him desperately to be our mayor from 1994 to 2002, and the only way he could do that was to be "pro-choice."


20 posted on 09/05/2004 1:16:54 PM PDT by firebrand
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