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The Many Faces of Islam
Hal Lindsay Oracle ^ | 9-3-04

Posted on 09/04/2004 8:23:44 PM PDT by hope

Oracle Commentaries 9/3/2004

The Many Faces of Islam

As Zell Miller reminded America from the podium of the GOP Convention, the United States is indeed at war. It appears that it will be a long, bloody and costly war.

Indeed,King Abdullah of Jordan, speaking of his nation's support for the United States following the September 11 attacks, described the war on terror in its proposed breadth and scope as being the "Third World War."

But against whom are we at war? Is this a war against Muslims? A war against Islam? That is what the radical Islamists would have us believe. It is not. At least, not yet.

It is against a particular brand of Islam. Within Islam, there are as many different kinds of Muslims as there are divisions under the banner of Christianity.

To those outside of Christianity, Baptists are no different than Mormons, Episcopalians indistinguishable from Jehovah's Witnesses and Methodists the same as Christian Scientists. In many parts of the world, all these are considered Christians. Some view all of them as elements of Catholicism and subject to papal authority.

Among Muslims, there are as many different sub-groupings as there are sub-groupings under the general heading of "Christian." And they are about as widely dissimilar.

Radical Islam teaches that democracy is the Great Satan, since democratic societies are free. Free societies cannot and do not require submission to Islam. Radical Islamists are as horrified that there are Christians and Jews living free in America as they are that there are atheists in America.

Now, I have grave theological differences with Islam of all stripes. I vehemently disagree with the notion that the God of the Christians and Jews is the same deity as that worshipped as Allah by the Muslims.

But I have grave theological differences with adherents to secular humanism, atheists, Satanists, Mormons, Hindus, Jehovah's witnesses, Buddhists and so on. This does not make me want to kill them, or restrict their right to believe what they want to believe.

Neither are we at war with Arabs. Not all Arabs are Muslims, neither are all Muslims Arabs. Within both groups are radical Islamists. The theocratic regime of Iran is one of radical Islam, even though Iranians are not Arab, but Persians. Iranians share the Islam of Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, the Taleban and a dozen other groups.

The basic meaning of the world Islam is submission. Radical Islam takes this meaning to the ultimate extreme. It says that this submission to Allah and his words is not voluntary. It believes if one does not submit willingly, he must be forced to submission at the point of a sword.

That distinction makes radical Islam the enemy of democracy in general, and the United States and Israel in particular. The United States is the Great Satan, as we are viewed as the founders of the democratic principle. Israel is an island of democracy in a sea of radical Islamic sheikdoms.

It isn't only America, or Israel that radical Islam hates, it is our political system and the culture that system spawns. They really do not like the advances of modern inventions, except for the weapons.

Islam is wrapped around the culture of the Arabian Desert tribes with a benevolent but all powerful sheik in control. It feels most at home there. The more fundamental a Muslim becomes, the more he moves in his heart back to the 7th-century desert.

The Shah led Iran into the modern culture of the 20th century. The people had a good life and nearly all were prosperous. But they still embraced the Ayatollah Khameini who promptly plunged them headlong back to the 7th-century culture of radical Islam. Economic prosperity does not have the same appeal to these fanatics as it does to others.

The world is, by and large, not made up of representative republics, but of dictatorships. America makes up less than 4 percent of the world's population. Apart from us there are only a handful of European nations that are functional democracies.

None of those systems are any older than we are. France, among the first Europeans to become democratic republics, did so in 1789 – after America did. And the functional democracies are the richest and most successful in the world. Why?

Are we just smarter than they are and therefore more successful than those nations? Or is it free democratic society that is based on Protestant Christian principles? African and Middle Eastern societies are thousands of years old.

Even the Catholic based societies of Latin America have not achieved our level of success and freedom. Most nations that do not live in freedom live in squalor. America is less than 300 years old. Judge for yourself which system works better.

America is not the one responsible for beginning World War III. It was begun on Tuesday, September 11, in exactly the same way World War II was begun on December 7, 1941.

To do other than the course already chartered by our government would be tantamount to permitting our foreign policy to be dictated by these ruthless fanatics.

If we do nothing, we may as well take down our flag ourselves and send it to those who attacked us to save them the inconvenience. History proves beyond doubt what happens when a nation appeases aggressors – it only stalls a war. It has never in history, ever – not once – prevented one. Not even one time.

Many well-meaning Christians are advocating a Christian solution to a political problem. I've heard from many who say I should be advocating a policy of "turning the other cheek." This was written for interpersonal relationships, not for relations between nations.

We are at war, but not with all Muslims. We are at war with an ideology that claims Islam as its spiritual father. An ideology that permits any crime, any injustice, any atrocity – provided it claims as its ultimate end the forcing of the "infidels" to submit to Islam as they define it.

God did not ordain theocracies for the gentile nations. God established the authority of secular governments. When the Apostle Paul penned the following, he was himself a subject of Imperial Rome under Caesar.

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil." - Romans 13:1-4

Today this means the government does not bear the M16 in vain. Governments are commanded of God to punish evildoers with deadly force. And it is hard to imagine evildoers worse than those responsible for the murder of the thousands of innocent civilians on September 11, 2001 or the thousands of innocents murdered world-wide since.

If we do not act wisely and decisively in November, the next strike may kill hundreds of thousands right here at home. Politics notwithstanding.

Hal Lindsey

© http://www.hallindseyoracle.com



TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hallindsey; islam; islamism; religionofpeace; turntheothercheek
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1 posted on 09/04/2004 8:23:46 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope

What a great article. Lindsay lays out the reality of the complexity of who our enemy is, and isn't, quite well. Unfortunately, I don't think it will go over well with many.


2 posted on 09/04/2004 8:27:04 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Thumper1960; MikeinIraq

I thought you gentlemen would appreciate this read.


3 posted on 09/04/2004 8:28:31 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Calpernia

One good ping deserves another.


4 posted on 09/04/2004 8:29:11 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: hope

Hal actually says something intelligent.

I am well and truly shocked.


5 posted on 09/04/2004 8:33:06 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Restorer

We live in strange times.


6 posted on 09/04/2004 8:35:25 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: hope
I thank God daily for the man in the Oval office. Imagine an appeasing Algore...Imagine John Kerry who we have evidence he will govern the same way that Clinton did with the exception of foreign policy, in which he would let France, Germany and Russia decide our future.
7 posted on 09/04/2004 8:36:14 PM PDT by hope (Let no man deceive you!)
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To: hope

SITREP - TROP


8 posted on 09/04/2004 8:36:59 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America ALERT)
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To: Restorer

He has quit often in other commentaries. Sorry you missed it.


9 posted on 09/04/2004 8:37:11 PM PDT by hope (Let no man deceive you!)
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To: hope

Seeing Hal Lindsey's byline doesn't inspire me to read the article. He's been making money off of his prophecy 'interpretations' for over 30 years now, changing his predictions according to what the current political scene is like. If there's anything I know about Biblical prophecy: it's that it can be interpreted in any way the reader wishes to interpret it. I'm certain that many Muslims can read Revelation and see the U.S. or Israel as the Antichrist.


10 posted on 09/04/2004 8:37:51 PM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: CWOJackson

>>>Are we just smarter than they are and therefore more successful than those nations? Or is it free democratic society that is based on Protestant Christian principles?

The best statement yet.

Thanks for the ping. I see the Islamic division spoken of again. Yet NO ONE, not even from our other thread, has answered my questions. Not even Muslims.


11 posted on 09/04/2004 8:38:31 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calico Cat

whatever.


12 posted on 09/04/2004 8:38:42 PM PDT by hope (Let no man deceive you!)
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To: CWOJackson

Hal Lindsey has a television program called the "International Intelligence Briefing" that is broadcast on TBN on Thursday. It covers current events in the light of Bible Prophecy fulfillment. I record each week, and then replay them so that I won't forget what he is telling us in these "last days" just before the rapture. Because current events is lining up perfectly with what was predicted, Hal believes that we are very close to that time called the rapture when all Christians will be removed from the Earth, and God's judgement descends upon the entire planet. Even so, Maranatha.


13 posted on 09/04/2004 8:40:54 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: hope
But against whom are we at war? Is this a war against Muslims? A war against Islam? That is what the radical Islamists would have us believe. It is not. At least, not yet.

Ok so far....

It is against a particular brand of Islam. Within Islam, there are as many different kinds of Muslims as there are divisions under the banner of Christianity.

Not ok now.

I'm looking for media examples of Christian factions cutting heads off of people. I'm looking for examples of Christians shooting young children in the back as they flee in terror.

Does not wash in my book.

Islam vs Christianity.

A war coming to your theatre soon.

LVM

14 posted on 09/04/2004 8:42:41 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (John Kerry says he has changed his mind about all those NO votes in the Senate.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I can appreciate that, but I don't follow the prevailing predictions regarding the Biblical end days. For me I'm most struck by Lindsey's clear understanding of the Muslim world, how diverse it is and how our enemy in the WOT is only an element of the whole. Sorry.


15 posted on 09/04/2004 8:45:08 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Calico Cat

You spout your rhetoric about Hal Lindsey because you have read and studied the Holy Bible as much as he has......Right? I thought so. So a person who probably never read the entire Bible once is an expert on Bible Prophecy and can denigrate a person who is a Bible scholar and a pastor of a church in CA. When was the last time you even cracked open the Bible? Do you even own a Bible?


16 posted on 09/04/2004 8:45:49 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: LasVegasMac
I'm looking for media examples of Christian factions cutting heads off of people. I'm looking for examples of Christians shooting young children in the back as they flee in terror.

You don't have to go very far back in history to find exactly this.

17 posted on 09/04/2004 8:47:30 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Restorer

Hal actually says something intelligent.

I am well and truly shocked.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

He's probably found a better class of ghost writer.
Still, interesting stuff.


18 posted on 09/04/2004 8:53:07 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I own a Bible. I've read the Bible. I don't make my living by writing books claiming to interpret Biblical prophecy to suit current events. In his first book, he claimed that according to Revelation, Russia and the U.S. were going to destroy the world through thermonuclear war--he even mentioned the Cossacks, for crying out loud! And this obsession he had (has?) with the frigging EU--the New Roman Empire, indeed! Call me a skeptic, but I think that Hal has found a cow that isn't going to be milked dry. Cha-CHING!


19 posted on 09/04/2004 8:54:22 PM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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Seeing Hal Lindsey's byline doesn't inspire me to read the article. He's been making money off of his prophecy 'interpretations' for over 30 years now, changing his predictions according to what the current political scene is like.

I basically agree. I read Lindsey 30 years ago, and got the distinct impression that the time was ripe according to Lindsey for the end of the world at that point in time, or at least within a few years(in the 70s). I would like to re-read his books of that era, but I'm just suprised he's both still around and still popular, his credibility in his chosen field of prophecy doesn't impress me as too good.

20 posted on 09/04/2004 8:58:42 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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