What the war in Chechnya is all about

strategypage.com ^ | September 2, 2004 | Q & D Headlines

[DoughtyOne]

As I understand it, there was an electin in Chechenia. The result was that the candidate favored by Moscow got the majority of the vote. If that election was on the up and up, it seems the majority of the Chechenian populace favors Moscow rule.

There is no excuse whatsoever for killing innocent citizens, let alone attacking a school full of children.

If I were Russia, I'd break out the ruthless squad and cleanse some nests of sympthazers of this activity.

[mrsmel]

Good article. Now it's clearer to me than just "Chechnyan independence". It's not that at all, is it, really? Freedom to terrorise their neighbors,they mean.

[Destro]

"The Russians kept killing Chechens until the survivors agreed to behave."

[Destro]

"The Chechens hate the Russians and want to be free to do whatever they want. And that's what the war in Chechnya is all about."

[Yaelle]

Thanks for this article. I understand the situation a lot better.

Slightly OT: A Russian acquaintance told me that as soon as any major movie or new video game is released in the US, they can buy it for $2 in Russia. He learned to speak English from these movies and games.

[Artemis Webb]

This is very interesting and I thank you for the research.

The Russians need to go in and wash the soil in Islamic blood.

[demkicker]

Thanks for explaining.

[proust]

TIMELINE Beyond Chechnya

Actions outside of Chechnya linked to the conflict.

June 14, 1995
Chechen gunmen take 2,000 hostages at a hospital in southern Russian town of Budyonnovsk, near Chechnya. After failed attempts at force, Russia negotiates the hostages' release in exchange for the gunmen's escape. More than 100 die.

Jan. 9, 1996
Chechen militants seize 3,000 hostages at a hospital in southern Russian town of Kizlyar. Rebels release most, then head for Chechnya with about 100 hostages. Rebels are stopped in a village and attacked by Russian troops. At least 78 die in weeklong fight.

Jan. 16, 1996
Six Turks and three Chechens hold 255 hostages on ferry in Black Sea, threatening to blow up ship if Russia doesn't halt battles in southern Russia. The rebels surrender after three days.

March 9, 1996
Turkish sympathizer hijacks jetliner flying out of Cyprus to draw attention to situation in Chechnya. The sympathizer surrenders after plane lands in Munich, Germany.

Sept. 4, 1999
Bomb destroys a building housing Russian military officers and families in Buinaksk in Russia's Dagestan region. Sixty-four die. Russian officials blame Chechen rebels, but never prove their involvement.

Sept. 9, 1999
Explosion wrecks a nine-story apartment building in southeast Moscow, killing almost 100. Authorities suspect a Chechen bomb, although no evidence is ever provided to support the claim.

Sept. 13, 1999
A bomb destroys an apartment building in southern Moscow, killing 70. Officials blame Chechens, but nobody is ever charged in the attack.

Sept. 16, 1999
Bombs shear off the front of a nine-story apartment building in Volgodonsk, 500 miles south of Moscow. Nearly 20 are killed. Authorities again blame Chechens rebels, but nobody is charged.

March 16, 2001
Three Chechens hijack a Russian airliner leaving Istanbul and divert it to Saudi Arabia. Saudi forces storm plane, killing one hijacker and two hostages.

April 22, 2001
Some 20 gunmen hold about 120 people for 12 hours at a hotel in Istanbul, Turkey, to protest Russian actions in Chechnya. The rebels later surrender to police and release the hostages.

May 4, 2002
Lone gunman holds 13 people hostage at a hotel in Istanbul to protest situation in Chechnya. The gunman surrenders after an hour.

Oct. 24, 2002
Chechen rebels seize 800 people in a Moscow theater. After a three-day standoff, Russian authorities launch a rescue attempt in which all 41 attackers are killed along with 127 hostages who succumb to a knockout gas used to incapacitate the assailants.

July 5, 2003
Double suicide bombing at a Moscow rock concert kills the female attackers and 15 other people.

July 10, 2003
A Russian security agent dies in Moscow while trying to defuse a bomb a woman had tried to carry into a cafe on central Moscow’s main street.

Aug. 1, 2003
50 people are killed in Mozdok, North Ossetia, when a truck bomb smashes through the gates of a hospital where Russian soldiers injured in Chechnya are treated.

Sept. 16, 2003
Two suicide bombers drive a truck laden with explosives into a government security services building near Chechnya, killing three people and injuring 25.

Dec. 5, 2003
Suicide bombing on commuter train in southern Russia kills 44 people. President Vladimir Putin condemns attack as bid to destabilize the country two days before parliamentary elections. Six people were killed in two blasts on the same railway line in September.

Dec. 9, 2003
Female suicide bomber blows herself up outside Moscow’s National Hotel, across from the Kremlin and Red Square, killing five bystanders.

Feb. 6, 2004
An explosion rips through a subway car in the Moscow metro during rush hour, killing 41 people.

June 21- 22, 2004
Chechen rebels kill at least 92 people, mostly law-enforcement officers and officials, while setting fire to police and government buildings around Nazran, the main city of the neighboring republic of Ingushetia.

Aug. 25, 2004
Chechen suicide bombers blamed for explosions that kill 90 people on board two Russian planes.

[cwb]

Exactly! The problem here isn't just independence. Chechnya has a diverse group of people, many of whom don't want Sharia in their state. The other problem is that these terrorists don't just want Chenchnya...they want neighboring states like Dagestan, as they are crossing borders and inciting violence, elsewhere. They aren't just terrorizing Chechnya, as these people are attacking the heartland of Russia. I'm sorry to say, but where ever [radical] Muslims border a non-Mulsim nation, they are intent on assimulating that neighboring country.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"But what really mobilized public support for another invasion of Chechnya was one gang that specialized in religious fanaticism (in addition to some more secular crimes, everyone found kidnapping and smuggling too lucrative to give up for religious reasons.) Not content with just turning Chechnya into crime central, the Besayev gang decided to turn all the southern Caucasus into an Islamic republic. Most Chechens practiced the more laid back Sufi form of Islam, but Besayev and his followers managed to convert a few thousand Chechens to the more hard nosed Wahhabi form of Islam. It aid in this, non-Chechen fundamentalists came in to join the jihad."

Sound familiar? It is!

ISLAM'S WAR AGAINST THE WEST
By Howard Bloom
http://www.howardbloom.net/islam.htm

Osama Bin Laden, Terrorism, And The Great Crusade Against America
Holy War Goes Global
http://www.howardbloom.net/osama.htm

[Destro]

Not OT at all. The Chechen crime gangs run those bootleg rackets by and large.

[DoughtyOne]

That certainly wouldn't be my prescription for peace under normal circumstances, but when it comes to terrorism, the gloves come off. Thanks for the post Destro.

[mrsmel]

My eyes have become more and more open to the fallacy of Islam as a "religion of peace". That's not even what their own Koran says,I'm learning. Nothing less than subjugation of the world is their intent and what their Koran teaches. I know that sounds grandiose and paranoid,but only the lack of the resources and capability hitherto seems to be what has prevented more action.

It's a scary thought,that they are so indoctrinated in hate,that they would blow themselves up to kill others. That's hard to fight. It can't be negotiated with,because they don't want anything but our destruction.

The only option we have,that they have forced us to,is to destroy them before they destroy us. BEFORE.

[Unknowing]

One scam the Chechens have run is to negotiate a "reverse mortgage" to buy out the apartments of aged pensioners (typically widows). A monthly payment is set, to be paid for the lifetime of the pensioner, in exchange for the conveyance of the deed of title upon the death of the pensioner.

Then the pensioner mysteriously dies or disappears. Sometimes bodies have been found encased in concrete, in the metro, where Chechen gangs obtained construction contracts.

[rang1995]

The past--way way back of course the muslims took over--as they did in most places that there is trouble Chechen society has traditionally been organized around many autonomous local clans, called teips. Even today, many Chechens consider themselves loyal to their teip above all, one reason why it has been difficult to forge a united political front against Russia. From the 7th century through the 16th century Chechens and Ingushs were Christians. Imperial Russian The Russian Empire (Росси́йская Импе́рия, also Imperial Russia) covers the period of Russian history from the expansion of Russia under Peter the Great into the Russian Empire stretching from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean, to the deposition of Nicholas II of Russia, the last tsar, at the start of the Russian Revolution in 1917. ..... Click the link for more information. forces began moving into Chechnya in 1830 to secure Russia's borders with the Ottoman Empire Osmanlı İmparatorluğu Devlet-i Aliye-i Osmaniye The Ottoman Coat of Arms Imperial motto: none The Ottoman Empire at the height of its power Official language Ottoman Turkish Capital İstanbul (Constantinople) Sovereigns Sultans of the Osmanli Dynasty Population ca 40 million Establishment 1281 Dissolution October 29 1923 Currency Akçe The Ottoman Flag Part of the History of Turkey ..... Click the link for more information. . The Chechens resisted fiercely, led by national hero Imam Shamil, but Chechnya was finally incorporated into the Russian Empire in 1859. The Chechnya-Ingushetia region received status of an autonomous republic In its final decades of its existence, the Soviet Union consisted of 15 Soviet Socialist Republics (SSR), often called simply Soviet republics. All of them were socialist republics, and all of them, with the exception of Russia had their own Communist parties. They are all independent countries now; 12 of them (all except the Baltic states) are very loosely organized under the heading Commonwealth of Independent States. ..... Click the link for more information. within the Soviet Union The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) (Russian: Союз Советских Социалистических РеспубликСССР),Soyúz Sovétskikh Sotsialistícheskikh Respúblik (SSSR)) ..... Click the link for more information. in 1936. During World War A world war is a military conflict affecting the majority of the world's countries. World wars usually span multiple continents, and are very bloody and destructive. The term is usually used to refer to World War I (1914–1918) and World War II (1939–1945). Both wars involved some degree of participation from most of the world's existing countries, specially through the colonial empires of Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Japan, besides the United States and the Soviet Union. ..... Click the link for more information. II, the Soviet government accused the Chechens of cooperating with the Nazi Nazi Germany or the Third Reich commonly refers to Germany in the years between 1933 and 1945, when it was under the firm control of Adolf Hitler's dictatorship and the totalitarian ideology of National Socialism (a variant of fascism). The term Nazi is a short form of the German Nationalsozialismus; the ideology was institutionalized in the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), the National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi Party for short. ..... Click the link for more information. invaders, which had controlled the western parts of Chechnya-Ingushetia for several months in 1942/1943 winter. On orders from Stalin Iosif (Joseph) Vissarionovich Stalin (Russian: Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин, Iósif Vissariónovich Stálin), original name Ioseb Jughashvili (Georgian: იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი ..... Click the link for more information. , the entire population of the republic was exiled to Kazakhstan Kazakhstan (Kazakh: Қазақстан, Qazaqstan; Russian: Казахстан, Kazakhstán), also spelled Kazakstan, is a country chiefly in Central Asia and a former republic of the now extinct USSR. It has borders with Russia, the People's Republic of China, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan and has a coastline on the Caspian Sea. ..... Click the link for more information. . Over a quarter died. The Chechens were allowed to return only in 1957, four years after Stalin's death in 1953

[The Turbanator]

The Russians need to go in and wash the soil in Islamic blood.

Excellent, I like the way you think.

[valkyrieanne]

"Chechnyan independence" is a code-word for an Islamist breakway republic under Islamic law. Too bad for the Christians, Sufi Muslims, and pro-Moscow people who live there.

[valkyrieanne]

Besayev and his followers managed to convert a few thousand Chechens to the more hard nosed Wahhabi form of Islam. It aid in this, non-Chechen fundamentalists came in to join the jihad."

From Saudi Arabia. *Funded* by Saudi Arabian oil money.

[Born to Conserve]

I have always heard my history teachers describing how horrible it was in the old days, when conquerers would move into an area and kill all the men, leaving the women and children. I think I see the motivation now. Perhaps, after the Irish are finished eating their children, we should pick up where the Vikings left off.