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Banning Guns In the U.K. Has Backfired
The Wall Street Journal Europe ^ | September 3, 2004 | John R. Lott, Jr.

Posted on 09/03/2004 1:25:39 PM PDT by neverdem

Published Friday, September 3, 2004, in Wall Street Journal Europe

Worried that even showing a starting pistol in a car ad might encourage gun crime in Britain, the British communications regulator has banned a Ford Motor Co. television spot because in it a woman is pictured holding such a "weapon." According to a report by Bloomberg News, the ad was said by regulators to "normalize" the use of guns and "must not be shown again."

What's next? Toy guns? Actually, the British government this year has been debating whether to ban toy guns. As a middle course, some unspecified number of imitation guns will be banned, and it will be illegal to take imitation guns into public places.

And in July a new debate erupted over whether those who own shotguns must now justify their continued ownership to the government before they will get a license.

The irony is that after gun laws are passed and crime rises, no one asks whether the original laws actually accomplished their purpose. Instead, it is automatically assumed that the only "problem" with past laws was they didn't go far enough. But now what is there left to do? Perhaps the country can follow Australia's recent lead and ban ceremonial swords.

Despite the attention that imitation weapons are getting, they account for a miniscule fraction of all violent crime (0.02%) and in recent years only about 6% of firearms offenses. But with crime so serious, Labor needs to be seen as doing something. The government recently reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the four years from 1998-99 to 2002-03.

Crime was not supposed to rise after handguns were banned in 1997. Yet, since 1996 the serious violent crime rate has soared by 69%: robbery is up by 45% and murders up by 54%. Before the law, armed robberies had fallen by 50% from 1993 to 1997, but as soon as handguns were banned the robbery rate shot back up, almost back to their 1993 levels.

The 2000 International Crime Victimization Survey, the last survey done, shows the violent-crime rate in England and Wales was twice the rate in the U.S. When the new survey for 2004 comes out, that gap will undoubtedly have widened even further as crimes reported to British police have since soared by 35%, while declining 6% in the U.S.

The high crime rates have so strained resources that 29% of the time in London it takes police longer than 12 minutes to arrive at the scene. No wonder police nearly always arrive on the crime scene after the crime has been committed.

As understandable as the desire to "do something" is, Britain seems to have already banned most weapons that can help commit a crime. Yet, it is hard to see how the latest proposals will accomplish anything.

• Banning guns that fire blanks and some imitation guns. Even if guns that fire blanks are converted to fire bullets, they would be lucky to fire one or two bullets and most likely pose more danger to the shooter than the victim. Rather than replace the barrel and the breach, it probably makes more sense to simply build a new gun.

• Making it very difficult to get a license for a shotgun and banning those under 18 from using shotguns also adds little. Ignoring the fact that shotguns make excellent self-defense weapons, they are so rarely used in crime, that the Home Office's report doesn't even provide a breakdown of crimes committed with shotguns.

Britain is not alone in its experience with banning guns. Australia has also seen its violent crime rates soar to rates similar to Britain's after its 1996 Port Arthur gun control measures. Violent crime rates averaged 32% higher in the six years after the law was passed (from 1997 to 2002) than they did the year before the law in 1995. The same comparisons for armed robbery rates showed increases of 74%.

During the 1990s, just as Britain and Australia were more severely regulating guns, the U.S. was greatly liberalizing individuals' abilities to carry guns. Thirty-seven of the 50 states now have so-called right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns once they pass a criminal background check and pay a fee. Only half the states require some training, usually around three to five hours' worth. Yet crime has fallen even faster in these states than the national average. Overall, the states in the U.S. that have experienced the fastest growth rates in gun ownership during the 1990s have experienced the biggest drops in murder rates and other violent crimes.

Many things affect crime; the rise of drug-gang violence in Britain is an important part of the story, just as it has long been important in explaining the U.S.'s rates. Drug gangs also help explain one of the many reasons it is so difficult to stop the flow of guns into a country. Drug gangs can't simply call up the police when another gang encroaches on their turf, so they end up essentially setting up their own armies. And just as they can smuggle drugs into the country, they can smuggle in weapons to defend their turf.

Everyone wants to take guns away from criminals. The problem is that if the law-abiding citizens obey the law and the criminals don't, the rules create sitting ducks who cannot defend themselves. This is especially true for those who are physically weaker, women and the elderly.

Mr. Lott, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of "More Guns, Less Crime" (University of Chicago Presss, 2000) and "The Bias Against Guns" (Regnery 2003).


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; gunprohibition; johnlott
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1 posted on 09/03/2004 1:25:40 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The violence in Russian schools should convince every U.S. school district to arm its teachers. We should demand this NOW, before it becomes too late.

Teachers are in a custodial role; they NEED to be able to protect the kids.


2 posted on 09/03/2004 1:27:29 PM PDT by Tax Government (Promote democracy: help drive the democRat party to extinction.)
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To: neverdem; MadIvan
Is any political party in England adding a pro-gun position?
3 posted on 09/03/2004 1:27:56 PM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: taxcontrol

If they were they'd be marginalized, I bet.


4 posted on 09/03/2004 1:29:55 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: Tax Government
Teachers are in a custodial role; they NEED to be able to protect the kids.

Aircraft pilots were allowed to be armed. Why not teachers when we know these cowards look for easy targets?

5 posted on 09/03/2004 1:32:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Banning Guns In the U.K. Has Backfired

Understatement of the Freakin' century.

6 posted on 09/03/2004 1:32:54 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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To: Tax Government

ping


7 posted on 09/03/2004 1:33:40 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: neverdem

Just goes to show that banning the guns will never stop violent crimes....although allowing the citizens of the country to carry can help with prevention if the crooks know you are packin...


8 posted on 09/03/2004 1:34:41 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: neverdem

>>> Self-defence <<< is illegal in the UK as well.

MP Stephen Pound calls acts of self-defence "barbaric".

"If you don't fight back, they may not hurt you."


9 posted on 09/03/2004 1:35:01 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: neverdem
Funny how you don't hear the anti gunners making any more comparisons between our "Cowboy" affectations for guns and high crime rates with England's "Civilized" anti gun culture and their low crime rates.

Darn, these days, it just sucks to be a liberal.

Best Regards

Sergio
10 posted on 09/03/2004 1:37:09 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Tax Government
Teachers are in a custodial role; they NEED to be able to protect the kids.

Remember that the vast majority of teachers in the public schools are liberals. They'd never go for it. I wouldn't trust most with a BB gun anyway.

Better to hire armed security for the schools, IMHO.

11 posted on 09/03/2004 1:39:20 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior
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To: taxcontrol
Is any political party in England adding a pro-gun position?

The Libertarian Alliance, currently the 3rd-ranked party in the country, would be the most supportive of gun rights.

12 posted on 09/03/2004 1:48:16 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
Remember that the vast majority of teachers in the public schools are liberals.

Maybe there should be a draft for critical professions? I prefer volunteers, but currently we're getting too many dopes. With enough compensation and retirement at 20 years, there won't be that much dissent.

13 posted on 09/03/2004 1:53:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Like everything else that teachers do willingly, carrying a firearm needs to be motivated by a certificate and pay increase. Teachers should be asked to pass firearms safety courses, be qualified in safe use and handling, marksmanship, etc...in exchange for continued employment and advancement.

Once firearms training is presented as a career-enhancing activity, you can bet MOST teachers will do it. Also, if there is any kind of special status associated with having a gun -- such that a teacher cannot head a department without having a firearms cert -- then a very large percentage of teachers will do it.


14 posted on 09/03/2004 1:54:11 PM PDT by Tax Government (Promote democracy: help drive the democRat party to extinction.)
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To: neverdem

The evil ones who have vowed to diasrm the innocent in hopes that somehow the criminals will stop being criminals will never let something as silly as complete and utter failure stop them.


15 posted on 09/03/2004 2:14:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: taxcontrol

from my understanding the Conservative party is less anti gun than Labour, but none of the 3 main parties in the UK = Labour, Tories AKA Conservatives or Liberal-Democrats could be described as having a position like the Republicans do here.


16 posted on 09/03/2004 2:17:23 PM PDT by Murtyo
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To: xm177e2

"The Libertarian Alliance is a non-partisan group fighting statism in all its forms and working for the creation of a truly free society. " off their web site - looks like they're not a party - I reckon you're confusing them with the Liberal-Democrats (the UK's 3rd political party)


17 posted on 09/03/2004 2:19:55 PM PDT by Murtyo
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To: neverdem

Since when is teaching a critical profession requiring a draft? Kids got educated prior to the first government-run schools before 150 years ago, and there's no reason to believe that they wouldn't be educated if we abolished government control of education.


18 posted on 09/03/2004 2:21:08 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: taxcontrol

There is no political party -- only the people want it! There was a contest on the BBC, and whichever issue won the listener poll, a politician had agreed to raise it before Parliament. People wanted a change in the restrictive gun laws - that was the issue that WON - and the politician who agreed to raise the issue wouldn't do it.


19 posted on 09/03/2004 2:23:02 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: Tax Government
The violence in Russian schools should convince every U.S. school district to arm its teachers.

BTTT! In the Bad Old Days (1970's), I had more than one teacher who carried a gun at school.

20 posted on 09/03/2004 2:23:48 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The promotion of bad dress codes is the desire of arrogant powers, shame on the government!")
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