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Cheney’s “five deferments.”
Sean Hannity Board ^ | Sept 3 | Bob Hyneman

Posted on 09/03/2004 7:15:01 AM PDT by Bob Hyneman

Cheney’s “five deferments.”

[b][color=orange]In the summer of 1967 D ick Cheney was a married 26 year old man with a daughter.[/color] [/b] Twenty-six year old men cannot be drafted but (gasp) he was married and had a daughter BEFORE he turned 26 and that means he had two deferments!!!

[b](Everyone who had a daughter in 1966 was draft dodger right?).[/b]

Anyway, a half-truth is as good as a truth to John Kerry, so all you need to know is the two deferments part right?

Except, that many many years before the draft, D ick Cheney had also - attended Community College - and then University. Since any slick lawyer-type can tell you transferring schools can legally be counted as two deferments, that brings the total to four. (Never mind that he acquired both of these [b][u]years[/u][/b] before Vietnam was a war, or had draft, or could even be found on the amp by most Americans).

So what is number 5? Well in 1965 the US sent its first contingent of 3,500 Marines to Vietnam. (The draft would begin in earnest in 1966-67), Only a few years earlier in 1964-65, that damn D ick Cheney began applying for graduate schools and grad school acceptance counts as another. (This time Mr. Kerry DID successfully count to five).

So, if you believe John Kerry’s version of events, D ick Cheney began dodging the Vietnam draft five (or six) years before troops were being drafted and sent there. (Look this is politics and ad hominem attacks are allowed but if that is the best you got then you ain't got ad hominems)

[b]The fact is that D ick Cheney: - was accepted to community college - was accepted to the U of Wyoming - was accepted to graduate school - was married - was an expectant father all MORE THAN A YEAR before the draft began.[/b]

I note here that Cheney was married and an expectant father both during grad school and after Kerry COULD count that as SEVEN deferments, (but that would imply the ability to count to seven).

I suppose a 26 year-old daddy with a graduate degree and a newborn daughter COULD have volunteered to go to Vietnam, but I don’t think it is altogether honest to portray him as a draft dodger, do you?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cheney; draft; draftdodger; kerry; vietnam
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To: familyofman
Good morning

"You can't question one sailor's valor without questioning them all-no shades of gray or situational ethics."

Actually, in the interest of friendly inter-service rivalry I question the valor of squids on a regular basis. That doesn't impact my belief that most service people are generally preferable to leg civilians any day.

This is about john kerry and know one else.

Michael Frazier
161 posted on 09/03/2004 10:02:44 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok.)
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To: Bob Hyneman
Good grief. The stench of Loser Sweat in Kerryland is overwhelming.

Deferments ? Oh, yeah, Kerry is familar with deferrments, he used them, actively sought them, used all that were available to him and only volunteered when he had no other options. Now, he opposes them.... hum, for/against... for/against. This is beginnning to sound familar.

So, now a legitimate deferral is a "refusal to serve" ? How can that be ? Neither Dick Cheney or George W Bush ever attempted to avoid service. Cheney exercised the same legitimate student deferrals that Kerry employed.

President Bush joined the Air National Guard and became a skilled pilot. By any definition, that is not a "refusal to serve", its military service, especially since units amd personel were called up on a "as needed" basis. Air National Guard service was a legitimate means of meeting and discharging one's military obligation. There were no guarantees. That he was not called up was a matter of fate and timing rather than an active effort to avoid service.

162 posted on 09/03/2004 10:10:19 AM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: nuconvert

<< Thanks for that correction.

I'm sick of hearing how he "volunteered to go to Vietnam." >>

Me too! The truth is that Kerry volunteered nothing more than to manipulate and game the system in order to avoid going to Vietnam -- and, being the dangerously-dopey-dullard that he is, was out-manipulated, out-gamed and out-smarted BY the system.

Sorry about my profanity, too -- but that mongrel B%$#@^d really gives me the s*&^%%$$#ts!


163 posted on 09/03/2004 10:52:33 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- AND A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: cyncooper
re: "Clinton actually received a draft notice"

Yes, but he denied this for a long time until someone came up with a copy of it! Once a liar, always a liar. He lied again when he agreed to join the ROTC and then high tailed it to England, writing a letter to the ROTC commandant that had agreed to let him join saying that he detested the military. In the America of the early part of the last century such a person would NEVER been nominated as his party's presidential candidate, let alone ELECTED.
164 posted on 09/03/2004 11:19:10 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: silverleaf
Oops! Sorry for the miscue. Thank you for pointing it out and especially for doing so in such a polite way.
165 posted on 09/03/2004 11:21:01 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: cyncooper
I said the F-102 was not intended for use in conflicts like Vietnam, not that they were not used. The fact they were being used in operations that were outside the envelope of their design is one reason why low time pilots were not eligible for the program that sent them to Vietnam. There's a huge difference in flying intercepts at flight level 350 and above and doing close air support for ground troops. It's a small distinction, and I admit I did not make meaning very clear. Sorry!
166 posted on 09/03/2004 11:28:21 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: silverleaf

Which is EXATLY what burns be about the idiot Left--they make it seem as if GHWB was some hotshot Washingtonite, but for all intents and purposes, he was a nobody.


167 posted on 09/03/2004 11:35:44 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: EllaMinnow

Your husband is correct. No one was drafted from the 1953 year group for VN service.


168 posted on 09/03/2004 11:43:04 AM PDT by USMA '71
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I support the repairs on my street but I'm not about to go out and fix it.


169 posted on 09/03/2004 11:45:10 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: nuconvert

Bush volunteered for Vietnam also. ANG pilots flew more than 50K combat hours.


170 posted on 09/03/2004 12:20:40 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: ClearCase_guy
Kerry joined the Naval Reserves and was called up, now we know he served on the USS Gridley then transferred off to get into the Swift Boats where he served for 4 rousing months before being transferred back to the States.
Once back in the states he was working as an Admiral's aide in New York I think then asked to be let out of active duty to return to Mass. to run for Congress. Of course that is when he became an antiwar protester.
Now a stint in the Naval Reserves is usually for 6 years. The question that has never been answered is did he finish his time in the reserves? If so where and where are his records for this??
He talks of Bush being AWOL well what about Kerry????????
171 posted on 09/03/2004 12:31:18 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Bob Hyneman; Owl_Eagle; Mudboy Slim

Let's face it, we right-wingers are just too darn slick for those lefties! I have successfully avoided the upcoming draft that the Dems keep claiming is going to happen soon, by ensuring that I was born in the mid-1960s, ensuring that I have less-than 20/20 vision, going to college in the 1980s, and then in the most clever ruse, marrying a </gasp> woman and fathering two children. I must have dozens of deferments built up by now! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to buy some Halliburton stock and then kick some elderly folks out of their homes and eat their food!


172 posted on 09/03/2004 12:37:42 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: silverleaf
Has anyone yet figured out where John Edwards spent the Vietnam war years?

I'm thinking a bathhouse in San Francisco...

173 posted on 09/03/2004 12:38:32 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Cheney enthusiastically supported the war (he wasn't just neutral) and took *active* steps (much like Clinton did) to stay out of harm's way. So, to answer your question, it was indeed his moral obligation to volunteer especially at a time when the U.S. military was desperately hungry for more troops.

What were those "active" steps, besides going to college BEFORE the draft started? Clinton lied to his ROTC commander, and actively evaded the draft through shady means. Provide evidence of this comparison being valid.

174 posted on 09/03/2004 12:43:51 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: HenryLeeII
I'm off to buy some Halliburton stock
 
You know, recently, I had some extra money in my 401k and I decided that Halliburton would be, not necessarily a great investment, but a principled one.
 
Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

175 posted on 09/03/2004 12:49:37 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (“Thank God for Canadians, they’re just like us, only better.” Michael Moore)
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To: Owl_Eagle
You know, recently, I had some extra money in my 401k and I decided that Halliburton would be, not necessarily a great investment, but a principled one.

Yes. All real Americans love Halliburton! In fact, owning its stock should be a requirement for voting!

176 posted on 09/03/2004 12:54:17 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: Bob Hyneman

177 posted on 09/03/2004 12:56:29 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Whadya mean you haven't bought my book yet?)
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To: HenryLeeII
Thanks fer the ping..."the upcoming draft that the Dems keep claiming is going to happen soon"

That "draft issue" is about as bogus as they come, and only raised as an issue so as to scare IGNORANT yutes into believing Iraq is another budding Vietnam!! It simply ain't so...MUD

178 posted on 09/03/2004 1:10:57 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Girleymen HATE Bush!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim

It must be true, since the Dems keep saying it!


179 posted on 09/03/2004 1:43:50 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: Valin

180 posted on 09/03/2004 1:50:16 PM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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