Cheney’s “five deferments.”

Sean Hannity Board ^ | Sept 3 | Bob Hyneman

[conservative in nyc]

I don't think litehaus was saying Naval service in Vietnam was dishonorable. I think he was saying that John Kerry's joining the Naval Reserves because he couldn't get a deferment and would have been drafted as an infantryman in the army, which was a more dangerous and less glamorous post, is hardly "volunteering" for service. And when John Kerry is trying to claim he was braver than President Bush for "volunteering" to serve in the Naval Reserves instead of the Texas Air National Guard, is a bit disingenuous. John Kerry did the same thing as President Bush and many other Americans at that time --- he tried to both serve his country and minimize personal risk. There's nothing wrong with that.

John Kerry's service in Vietnam was honorable. He did serve his country. But he hardly volunteered. If he could have received another deferment, he would have.

But I didn't serve in Vietnam, so John Kerry says I have no right to discuss it.

[Valin]

F**Kin Air National Guard. What we in the regular Air Force called them.

[bear11]

Bottom Line:
Dick Cheney spent most of his life strengthening the military and our country, supporting our troops and serving as an achieving, positive force in the United States Government.

John Kerry spent his life doing whatever was best for his own interest at the time. Show me one thing that proves this wrong. ONE THING!

The more Kerry opens his mouth, the better off we are. He truly reveals what he is all about.

It is mindboggling that Kerry supporters seem to relish the haze and misdirection that follows this man like a fog rolling in off the ocean.

[nuconvert]

LoL.
Well, you know, for some reason, that didn't come right up when I Googled. lol.

[LisaFab]

Not sure about that since my brother (born 1953) wasn't deferment material. My oldest brother, born in 1950 had a very high number and was in college but not sure if a deferment would have applied.

[KC_for_Freedom]

I lost my defense deferment, got a low lottery number (i.e., Number one was first to go--I had #37--the top 100 was surefire induction),

I had much the same story at Lockheed. I would have enlisted in the Navy. (Sometimes I regret that I did not.) I had a high number, they got as far as my physical, and while I waited out December for my call, they stopped one number short and went into January and a new lottery. Of course I was using the system to avoid the draft, but I was not opposed to serving, and like you I could have had a different number. Nevertheless, I could have volunteered for either the regular service or the national guard. I was married at the time, (no children) and my wife was very opposed to serving, so I was caught in the middle. Later our differences led to a divorce, it was starting at the time but I did not see it.

[Bob Hyneman]

Ooops small mistake, my bad.

Dick Cheney was married in 1964 and his first daughter was born in 1966 NOT even months after he was married.

My sincerest apologies to the Cheney family.

The following timeline remains true:

Jan 1963 Dick Cheney age 22, having attended a year of college and worked as a lineman for a power company returns to school at a community college ("deferment" ONE)

1963 Transfers to Wyoming U. ("deferment" TWO)

1964 Marries his high school sweetheart. ("deferment" THREE)

1965 Begins Grad school. ("deferment" FOUR)
First US Ground troops sent to Vietnam.

1966 First Daughter born ("deferment" FIVE)

1967 Dick Cheney now a 26 year old married father with a graduate degree is too old to be drafted.
Vietnam draft begins in earnest.

[sober libertarian]

"Spin it anyway you want. Cheney stayed home while fifty thousand Americans died in a war he supported."

What is your point? Are you implying that Cheney had no right to support a war where americans died because he did not serve in that specific war?

Go and look up the words patriot, choice and freedom. Then get back to me.

Cheney enthusiastically supported the war...

can you back this up...what is the difference in barely supporting, slightly supporting, reluctantly supporting, fairishly supporting, or enthusiasticlly supporting the war.

Do you not believe in freedom of Choice? Does Cheney not have the same rights as bill clinton, Terry Mcauliffe, or John Edwards to choose his life direction?

In 1992, John Kerry excoriated Republicans for bringing up Clinton’s lack of service, saying, “We do not need to divide America over who served and how.”

John Kerry did not want Vietnam to be an issue when it was his political leadership that did not serve. Things are different when the rolls get reversed!

Bill Clinton our president for 8 years stayed in England protesting vietman while fifty thousand Americans died in a war he did not support! Did those actions make him any less credible as a war time leader??

Curious, when Bill Clinton ok'd our military to drop bombs on bosnian babies without the OK from the UN, were you questioning his leadership and lack of wartime military credentials? Or did you feel that the decisions that he made 30 years prior to evade the draft and protest our government on foreign soil as his God given constitutional right?

[RippleFire]

bump

[embedded_rebel]

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185

[estrogen]

My ex husband got a draft notice and because he was married and I was pregnant, he got a deferrment. There was nothing wrong with that. Fathers shouldn't have been drafted at that point, nor were students.

[bear11]

Amen, my brother!

My questions are:
Who started grooming Kerry as a young man for this time in our history?
Is it possible that Kerry is and has always been a mole for the KGB?
What role does uncle Teddy Kennedy have in the war commendations?

[xzins]

When did the Viet draft begin, or were they drafting people into the military continuously, but at a low level, since Korea?

[nuconvert]

"Is it possible that Kerry is and has always been a mole for the KGB?"

Got stock in Reynold's aluminum?

[Parthalan]

I'll accept that the two tours of duty to be factual. I need the definition of a tour of duty though? I thought it was one full year from the time you arrived "in country". While you are at it what is the true definition of "in country"? Activated reservist or active duty somewhere in the world during the time period of the Viet Nam war?

[Brian Allen]

<< And let's clear up this misstatement about Kerry volunteering to go to Vietnam. As I understand it, he volunteered for the Navy. He got sent to Vietnam. Bush volunteered for the National Guard, and could very well have been sent to Vietnam. Lots of National Guard were sent to Vietnam. It was NO guarantee of avoiding the war. >>

Kerry did not enlist in the United States Navy -- but in the [Inactiive] US Naval Reserves -- pretty much the Navy's much safer equivalent of the [EG: Texas] Air National Guard.

His chances of going into active service in Vietnam or anywhere else were way slimmer than were those of an Air Force Reserve/National Guard fighter pilot and everything he says and/or has ever said to the contrary is pure and unadulterated BarbAra Streissand!

Kerry is a scurrilous bastard -- lower than shark $h*t!

[brazzaville]

Good morning.

"If you deride 1 sailor's service-you deride them all-jerk!!!"

What an absurd statement to make. john kerry chose the Navy (actually the Naval Reserve - shorter active duty obligation, you know.) after being denied a deferment to study for a year in France. He did this to avoid the risk being drafted into the Army. He has tried to present his service as that of a heroic volunteer. The reality is that john kerry is a phony and a traitor. How does that statement "deride" the service of anyone else?

Seems to me I first heard your argument coming from kerry shills after the Swifties appeared.

Michael Frazier

[Brian Allen]

<< Spin it anyway you want. Cheney stayed home while fifty thousand Americans died in a war he supported. >>

Spin it?

What on Earth are you smoking over there?

Vice President Cheney was a 26-years-old married man with a daughter when the draft began -- calling up 19-year-olds.

And just a few short years ago Kerry and his trial liar cobber were apologists for the seriously serial draft evading traitor, Kling Tong.

[nuconvert]

Thanks for that correction.

I'm sick of hearing how he "volunteered to go to Vietnam."

[familyofman]

Good afternoon.

"What an absurd statement to make..."

I stand by it because the original comment/post implied that Kerry joined the Navy to fight the 'powerfull' N. Vietnamese Navy. Which implies that the Navy and anyone in it did so to avoid 'true' service. That to me is a backhand at the Navy and all who served in the Navy during the Vietnam war. You can't question one sailor's valor without questioning them all - no shades of gray or situational ethics. The same goes for medals awarded and those that received them.
None of my comments come from anyone but me.