I.e., the usual Russian operation. "Free" the hostages.
One thing about it..... these events in Russia never last long.
"I.e., the usual Russian operation. "Free" the hostages."
I think it's called "The Reno Doctrine".
Just to play Devil's Advocate...what were they supposed to do to free the children and other hostages? Negotiation is not an option, of course. And the hostages had no food or water, according to reports. Options were fairly limited...
How on earth was this supposed to end with no casualties? I would imagine that some of those children were already dead b/c the Muslim terrorists were dehydrating them. Young children die from dehydration quickly.
The only thing that the Russians are at fault here for is their lack of exterminating all of the Chechnyan "rebels".
From other reports, the terrorists switched to civilian dress, and allowed four to come in to collect bodies of children that died under the mistreatment, opened fire on the four, blew up the gym, and tried to escape in the panic.
More a typical Islamofacist operation than Russian one.
>I.e., the usual Russian operation. "Free" the hostages.
How much choice did the Russians have? The terrorists were depriving those people of water, in stifling heat.
All the hostages were dead from the beginning. The Russians did what they could to save as many as they could. The blood is all on the hands of the murdering scumbags who comandeered the school.
And you wanted the Russians to surrender to the muslims?
"I.e., the usual Russian operation. "Free" the hostages."
I don't think they had any option in this instance. Once the terrorists started blowing themselves up the choice was made for them.
First, the Isla-murders would have eventually killed them anyway. Russia will not cut deals with terrorists. Second, it was the Isla-murderes who detonated the bombs and murdered the children.
Islam is the only religion on earth that tells people that they can murder their way into heaven.
Is that a smart strategy? Not sure, but appeasement and stalling would probably not improve the outcome.
Yes, they do have a way of 'freeing' the hostages by getting them killed. This is incredible and so sad.
Please! I guess the Russians should have just done everything the terrorists demanded...righy?
Please! I guess the Russians should have just done everything the terrorists demanded...right?
That was my thinking exactly. Another rescue plan designed by Janet "burn the babies first" Reno -----Camerican
What the heck were the russians supposed to do then? Negotiate? Starve the terrorists out (and the process the children who would succumb to hunger faster than the adult terrorists)? You have to realise that the moment those Chechen terrorists went into the school they went in there to die. They were matyrs for the Islamic cause (and the Chechens are muslims linked to Al Queda and subscribing to Wahhabism). The only question was how many they would take with them!
Infact I'd like to know what other option MoralSense and Camerican would have opted for if they were faced with this situation. Negotiate?
This is similar to the moscow theater situation, where almost 200 hundred people were killed. Most on the media (and some on FR) tried to paint the Russians in bad light over that, saying that too many people died. However the interesting thing is that global special services (including some of our guys, and some former Brit SAS operatives) saw the same incident as a miracle! A miracle that all 700 hundred hostages did not die. Those terrorists had suicide belts with their fingers on the detonators, and had even rigged the doors with friggin' landmines! It was a nigh impossible situation, and the russians were left with a hard decision. Do something and lose a good number of lives ....or do nothing and lose most if not all. They did the best they could do.
Israel did the same thing during the Entebbe raid when they flew thousands of miles to Uganda to rescue the hostages that had been taken there by Palestinian hijackers. Luckily few people died (one soldier, and a hostage that was at a Ugandan hospital and thus not rescued) ....but it could have easily ended up as a huge disaster. sometimes hard choices have to be made ....and the outcome is not always obvious. The one thing that is clear is that doing nothing would always be the worst decision to make.
And the funny thing is what we are seeing in Russia is something we will someday see in the US. 'Impossible' hostage scenarios, by people who are there to die, and with hostages that are kids (or the like).
If that happens you'll notice that like the Russians we will have no choice but to go in as well.
I am certain it is just a matter of time before the networks start saying this was a failure because many kids die. When the reality is it was a success because not all the kids died.
Sometimes it amazes me that many in the media, in certain sectors of politics, and the public arena still assume that hostage taking nowadays is like it used to be in decades past. They need to realize that once an Islamic group takes hostages they are doing so to make a point ...not to negotiate. Wasting time negotiating with Islamic terrorists only means more people will die.
The Reno situation was basically Janet acting gung-ho and rushing in. The Russian hostage scenarios (both the Moscow and this one) is basically one where a hard decision has to be made .....rescuing most (and losing a good number) by acting; or sitting and doing nothing and lose everyone in the process.
Pray the same decision never has to be made here, and think what other possibility might have been viable before the decisions made are criticized. It is only a matter of time before such decisions have to be made here, and i guess that is when those in the media (and some like Moral Sense and Camerican) will realize that, sadly, in such cases it is not a matter of no one dying ...but of most surviving. And hopefully we do not have someone like Kerry who would kill everyone involved by negotiating with the terrorists. And remember, though the terrorists hit Israel, India and Russia with the greatest frequency, they always save the big attacks for us. The USA.
Pardon me, genius, but how would you have dealt with this situation?
I will remind you: the terrorists were fanatic Muslims who didn't care about dying, they just wanted to kill as many people as possible.
I will remind you: the terrorists were not allowing the hostages food and water--they would only have gotten weaker as time went on (less able to flee, more likely to die from smaller wounds)
I will remind you: the terrorists had rifles and suicide bombs and other bombs designed to slaughter the hostages--and they were planning to use those bombs from the start.
What brilliant plan would you have come up with?