Posted on 09/02/2004 9:02:41 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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Hurricane Frances : Free Republic's Friday Discussion Thread (2004-09-03)
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First, Thursday Night's Closing Summary (AlanCarp's Post):
ETA Computer Model - Melbourne strike - taking 24 hours to approach the coast. Arrival 11am Sunday. Takes at least another 24 hours to cross Florida - exiting in the Big Bend region.
GFDL Computer Model - Melbourne strike - similar to the ETA solution. A little quicker to the shore, arriving at 2am Sunday morning.
GFS Computer Model - Melbourne strike, from a lower angle, and still slow to approach, arriving 8am Sunday morning. This is a worse-case solution, creeping up from the West Palm area. Leaves the state via Valdosta (finally) nearly TWO DAYS later!
EURO Computer Model - Melbourne strike (got the trend here?) at 8pm Saturday night. SAME POSITION 24 hours later!! Exits to Panama City in another 24 hours.
UKMET Computer Model - Melbourne (*sigh*) to Tampa in 72 hours (8pm Saturday night state exit). By far the quickest solution, but that's still over the state for a DAY.
NOGAPS Computer Model - Strikes at West Palm Bch (surprise) 2pm Saturday. Exits near Tampa in about 24 hours after that.
The models have converged on the East Coast, but it is expected to be a Very Slow Slog to get there, with EXTREME devastation involved from a lengthy visit from an unruly guest.
Accuweather is guessing three options, the Carolina trek still being possible, but sounds a lot like Options 1 and 2 are close to the model projections above.
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EXCELLENT Hurricane Frances Websites:
HURRICANE ALLEY
U.S. Weather Observers
Hurricane Basics
NOAA Hurricane FAQs
Go here for current traffic conditions in Florida: http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/trafficinformation/
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Patton@Bastogne
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The Situation - BAHAMAS
Not being a vacationer in Bahamas, I had to look it up. I hate to think what pix we'll see in the morning.
That's the very one James "Hoss" Carville. Take my advice: never watch C-SPAN on election nights. You don't get Trash Can Head watching C-SPAN.
That's cool, where did you get it?
I'm always looking for info on how the Bahamas did during these storms.
I remember really wondering after Andrew, but not being able to find out.
I've both vacationed and worked in the Bahamas and am very fond of the islands and the people.
That's Carville eh? Very good!
'Course I don't have cable so, just as well I guess.
Release Date: September 3, 2004
Release Number: HQ-04-152
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Department of Homeland Securitys Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is undertaking extensive preparations, including pre-positioning numerous emergency supplies and assets, in cooperation with state and other federal agencies to respond to Hurricane Frances expected landfall Saturday afternoon.
Residents of states in the hurricanes path are urged to immediately take measures to protect lives and property. It is essential to follow evacuation orders given by local officials, including those currently in effect for the Florida East Coast from Florida City northward to Flagler Beach, including Lake Okeechobee.
While state and local agencies are the first responders in any disaster, FEMA and its partner agencies are prepared with personnel, equipment and supplies to respond to states requests for federal help. Voluntary agencies, important partners in disasters, are ready to augment local government services with shelters, mobile feeding units, water and clean-up supplies.
Although the hurricane is expected to make landfall in Florida, preparedness measures are also underway in Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina. The FEMA Hurricane Liaison Team reported to the National Hurricane Center in Miami on Wednesday. Federal and state emergency management agencies charged with response activities are holding daily video teleconferences to plan and coordinate Hurricane Frances response.
The advance preparations include:
An additional seven teams have been placed on alert, assembling teams and loading equipment in case they are needed. The DMATs comprise doctors, nurses and medical technicians trained to handle trauma, pediatrics, surgery and mental health problems. DMATs bring truckloads of medical equipment and supplies with them.
FEMA Press Release re Hurricane Frances September 3, 2004
Like last night, it appears that someone has begun yet another brand new Hurricane Frances thread. Silly me, I kept posting updated information on the Thursday Hurricane Frances thread until it became obvious I was talking to myself.
Although it's a bit difficult to tell which day this new thread will cover by the title alone, here it is: "New Hurricane Frances FOrecast - Orlando May Be Spared"
Meanwhile, maybe it's high time this Californian researched my own neighborhood's emergency preparations. We're due for that so-called predicted big quake sometime before September 5th.
God Bless all in the path of Hurricane Frances and any new storms on the way.
Which thread is the place to post updated Hurricane Frances info?
Use the root domain for other locations :)
I've been going to the Bahamas since they were a British colony...haven't been in a few years though ..
http://stormcarib.com/reports/2004/bahamas.shtml
I have learned the hard way: post where it's most likely found (including after the fact). Having said that, it's a judgement call whether to keep posting on the original thread, vs. the "new" ones. Depends on the level of 'breaking,' I suppose. If it's rolling, stay with it. If it's shifting, move. I'm just Ms. Advice tonight eh :)
Idle conversation: where are they putting 2.5 million evacuees?
As I recall upthread someone posted a list of shelters with phone numbers and their capacities, or maybe that was on Thursday's thread.
That's a cool link you posted for conditions near Lake Worth Florida, Indie. It's great that one can phone the id# of a floating buoy to get current weather conditions or you can read current weather conditions as reported by ships in the area.
Old earthquake joke: San Franciscans at a wine tasting party are startled by a 5.9 shake. One yells out "I was born in Palo Alto, I'm going to stand in the doorway!" The visiting New York friend yells "I was born on Long Island, where do I stand?"
I've been looping the long range reflectivity from Miami. Frances is an ugly storm. No defined eye. Plus, it's either falling apart or accelerating almost due west. There are storms close to the center of circulation so it's hard to tell whether the center is moving or if new storms are being generated.
There's a lot of hope in the current forecast, but the risk for anyone to tempt fate and let down their guard is much too great, imho. The storm won't be over until it goes out into the Atlantic as a bunch of broken up dissipating clouds.
lol! Just two days ago I read that there were protestors outside Fox & Friends (FNC morning show in NYC) and a reporter asked them (on tape) what they were protesting. The reply was 'not sure, we haven't been told yet.' Wish I could find the link, but I know I read it here.
I say, door frames fall under the "roll with it" scenario. Unless they splinter and disintegrate, in which case, get the hell out. And be the first one, and say, "I'm from California. I expected this."
000 WTNT31 KNHC 040556 TCPAT1 BULLETIN HURRICANE FRANCES INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 41A NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 2 AM EDT SAT SEP 04 2004 ...FRANCES NEAR GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND... A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA FROM FLORIDA CITY NORTHWARD TO FLAGLER BEACH...INCLUDING LAKE OKEECHOBEE. A HURRICANE WARNING ALSO REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS. A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION. A HURRICANE WATCH AND A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAIN IN EFFECT FROM NORTH OF FLAGLER BEACH TO FERNANDINA BEACH. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT ON THE SOUTHERN FLORIDA PENINSULA FROM BONITA BEACH TO SOUTH OF FLORIDA CITY...AND FOR THE MIDDLE AND UPPER KEYS FROM SOUTH OF FLORIDA CITY TO THE SEVEN MILE BRIDGE...AND FOR FLORIDA BAY. A TROPICAL STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE FLORIDA WEST COAST FROM NORTH OF BONITA BEACH TO THE SUWANNEE RIVER. AT 2 AM EDT...0600Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE FRANCES WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 26.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 78.0 WEST OR ABOUT 45 MILES ...70 KM...EAST OF FREEPORT GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND. THIS IS ALSO ABOUT 135 MILES EAST OF WEST PALM BEACH FLORIDA. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL HOURS FRANCES HAS BEEN MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHWEST NEAR 6 MPH...9 KM/HR. A RETURN TO A WEST-NORTHWESTERLY TRACK IS EXPECTED LATER THIS MORNING...ALTHOUGH SOME ERRATIC MOTION CAN BE EXPECTED AS STEERING CURRENTS REMAIN WEAK. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE LARGE CORE OF HURRICANE FRANCES WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE SLOWLY OVER THE NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS OVERNIGHT...AND WILL BE VERY NEAR THE FLORIDA EAST COAST BY LATE SATURDAY. FRANCES IS A STRONG CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 105 MPH...165 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. FRANCES IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN A BORDERLINE CATEGORY TWO/THREE HURRICANE UNTIL LANDFALL. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 110 MILES...175 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 200 MILES...325 KM. THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 961 MB...28.38 INCHES. STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 5 TO 12 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS... ALONG WITH DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE EXPECTED NEAR THE EYE OF FRANCES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND. STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 3 TO 5 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS CAN BE EXPECTED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE OTHER ISLANDS OF THE BAHAMAS. COASTAL STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 4 TO 5 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE EXPECTED NEAR AND TO THE NORTH OF WHERE THE CENTER MAKES LANDFALL IN FLORIDA. STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 5 FEET ABOVE NORMAL LEVELS IS EXPECTED IN LAKE OKEECHOBEE. ALONG THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA COAST...STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 1 TO 3 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVEL CAN BE EXPECTED. RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 7 TO 12 INCHES...LOCALLY AS HIGH AS 20 INCHES... ARE POSSIBLE IN ASSOCIATION WITH FRANCES OVER THE BAHAMAS. SWELLS GENERATED BY FRANCES ARE AFFECTING PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHEASTERN COAST OF THE UNITED STATES. THESE SWELLS COULD CAUSE DANGEROUS SURF AND RIP CURRENTS. REPEATING THE 2 AM EDT POSITION...26.4 N... 78.0 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD...NORTHWEST NEAR 6 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...105 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 961 MB. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE. THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT 5 AM EDT. FORECASTER FRANKLIN $$
Shortwave Hurricane watch net 14.325 - KA4EPS Deerfield Beach, Fl
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