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Hurricane Frances : 2004-09-03 : Friday Targeting Alert
N/A | 2004-09-03 | Patton@Bastogne

Posted on 09/02/2004 9:02:41 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne

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Hurricane Frances : Free Republic's Friday Discussion Thread (2004-09-03)






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First, Thursday Night's Closing Summary (AlanCarp's Post):


ETA Computer Model - Melbourne strike - taking 24 hours to approach the coast. Arrival 11am Sunday. Takes at least another 24 hours to cross Florida - exiting in the Big Bend region.


GFDL Computer Model - Melbourne strike - similar to the ETA solution. A little quicker to the shore, arriving at 2am Sunday morning.


GFS Computer Model - Melbourne strike, from a lower angle, and still slow to approach, arriving 8am Sunday morning. This is a worse-case solution, creeping up from the West Palm area. Leaves the state via Valdosta (finally) nearly TWO DAYS later!


EURO Computer Model - Melbourne strike (got the trend here?) at 8pm Saturday night. SAME POSITION 24 hours later!! Exits to Panama City in another 24 hours.


UKMET Computer Model - Melbourne (*sigh*) to Tampa in 72 hours (8pm Saturday night state exit). By far the quickest solution, but that's still over the state for a DAY.


NOGAPS Computer Model - Strikes at West Palm Bch (surprise) 2pm Saturday. Exits near Tampa in about 24 hours after that.


The models have converged on the East Coast, but it is expected to be a Very Slow Slog to get there, with EXTREME devastation involved from a lengthy visit from an unruly guest.

Accuweather is guessing three options, the Carolina trek still being possible, but sounds a lot like Options 1 and 2 are close to the model projections above.




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EXCELLENT Hurricane Frances Websites:


HURRICANE ALLEY

U.S. Weather Observers

Hurricane Basics

NOAA Hurricane FAQs

Go here for current traffic conditions in Florida: http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/trafficinformation/




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To: Patton@Bastogne

The Situation - BAHAMAS




Several islands of The Bahamas are still experiencing hurricane force and
tropical storm force winds at 5:00 pm.

Nassau – one person is confirmed dead. An 18-year old was outside in the height
of the hurricane attempting to service a standby generator and was
electrocuted. Roof of shelter at Bethsheda United Missionary Baptist Church
caved in. People safely moved to neighbours.

San Salvador – Hurricane Frances battered this island with 140 mph winds for 30
hours. 15 to 20 per cent of the housing stock has been damaged. Population is
1,000 people. Widespread environmental damage with fallen trees, power lines
and utility poles – much of which was cleared for initial damage assessment.
Health care facility is in good condition. A doctor, nurse, and official of the
Bahamian Defence Force were pre-positioned and are assisting residents. All
tourists at Club Med were evacuated and the hotel, which is empty, sustained
roofing damage.

New Providence is the headquarters of the Emergency Operations Centre of the
National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) - At 5 pm tropical storm force
conditions were still affecting the island and expect to subside tomorrow.
Initial reports of environmental damage and storm surge affecting coastal areas
and cutting off coastal roads. Some homes have been flooded but assessment is
difficult this evening.

Acklins Island – Sustained damage to a marine docking facility and other
coastal damage from battering waves.

Acklins/Crooked Island/Long Cay - No major damage. Two Haitian boat people
detained.

Eleuthera – Winds in excess of 100 mph affected the island. Storm force
conditions still affecting the island. Power is out.

Harbour – Power out after island affected with winds in excess of 100 mph.
Storm surge and inland flooding reported. All evacuation shelters are occupied.
No reports of injury or death. Roads are impassable. Minor damage to health
clinic roof.

Inagua - Two vessels damaged.

Mayaguana – Road infrastructure damage. No loss of life. Power should be
restored by tonight or tomorrow morning.

Long Island – No damage

Exuma - Weather conditions improving. Water supplies restored.

Black Point – Telecommunications down.

Farmer’s Cay – Telecommunications down.

North Eleuthera - Winds reported in excess of 100 mph. Power out. Fibre optic
cable from North and South Eleuthera broken– no land-based contact with Spanish
Wells.

Central Eleuthera – No electricity and telecommunications down. No contact with
the island.

South Eleuthera – Tropical storm force conditions still exist. Damage
assessment not possible at this time.

North Andros – Tropical storm force conditions still exist. One property
reported damaged. Full assessment not possible at this time.

Central Andros – No known damage. Weather conditions mild.

South Andros / Mangrove Cay – No reported problems

Nassau International Airport - Heavy winds. Bahamasair Holdings Office roof
and front portion was torn off making it accessible to the public. Airport
Security is stationed at the site.

Berry Islands – Heavy rains continuing. Assessment not possible at this time.

Abaco – Winds becoming strong. 250 persons in public shelters.

East Grand Bahama – Winds becoming stronger. About 130 persons in public
shelters.

West Grand Bahama – Weather is good. 240 persons in public shelters.

Freeport Grand Bahama - Winds are picking up, continues to rain. 700 persons
in public shelters.

Ragged Island – No reported damage to any critical infrastructure.

Bimini / Cat Cay - Winds 35-40 mph. Four shelters are operational. No
significant damage, some fallen tree limbs.


421 posted on 09/03/2004 8:38:33 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Sam Cree

Not being a vacationer in Bahamas, I had to look it up. I hate to think what pix we'll see in the morning.

That's the very one James "Hoss" Carville. Take my advice: never watch C-SPAN on election nights. You don't get Trash Can Head watching C-SPAN.


422 posted on 09/03/2004 8:45:32 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Indie

That's cool, where did you get it?
I'm always looking for info on how the Bahamas did during these storms.
I remember really wondering after Andrew, but not being able to find out.


423 posted on 09/03/2004 8:47:55 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: lainie

I've both vacationed and worked in the Bahamas and am very fond of the islands and the people.

That's Carville eh? Very good!

'Course I don't have cable so, just as well I guess.


424 posted on 09/03/2004 8:50:54 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Federal Preparations Accelerate For Hurricane Frances

Release Date: September 3, 2004

Release Number: HQ-04-152

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is undertaking extensive preparations, including pre-positioning numerous emergency supplies and assets, in cooperation with state and other federal agencies to respond to Hurricane Frances’ expected landfall Saturday afternoon.

Residents of states in the hurricane’s path are urged to immediately take measures to protect lives and property. It is essential to follow evacuation orders given by local officials, including those currently in effect for the Florida East Coast from Florida City northward to Flagler Beach, including Lake Okeechobee.

While state and local agencies are the first responders in any disaster, FEMA and its partner agencies are prepared with personnel, equipment and supplies to respond to state’s requests for federal help. Voluntary agencies, important partners in disasters, are ready to augment local government services with shelters, mobile feeding units, water and clean-up supplies.

Although the hurricane is expected to make landfall in Florida, preparedness measures are also underway in Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina. The FEMA Hurricane Liaison Team reported to the National Hurricane Center in Miami on Wednesday. Federal and state emergency management agencies charged with response activities are holding daily video teleconferences to plan and coordinate Hurricane Frances response.

The advance preparations include:


425 posted on 09/03/2004 9:10:59 PM PDT by bd476
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426 posted on 09/03/2004 9:37:11 PM PDT by lainie
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To: lainie
LOL, those two are looking in the wrong direction. Where is that photo supposed to be?

Like last night, it appears that someone has begun yet another brand new Hurricane Frances thread. Silly me, I kept posting updated information on the Thursday Hurricane Frances thread until it became obvious I was talking to myself.

Although it's a bit difficult to tell which day this new thread will cover by the title alone, here it is: "New Hurricane Frances FOrecast - Orlando May Be Spared"

Meanwhile, maybe it's high time this Californian researched my own neighborhood's emergency preparations. We're due for that so-called predicted big quake sometime before September 5th.

God Bless all in the path of Hurricane Frances and any new storms on the way.

427 posted on 09/03/2004 9:52:10 PM PDT by bd476
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To: My Favorite Headache

Which thread is the place to post updated Hurricane Frances info?


428 posted on 09/03/2004 10:03:21 PM PDT by bd476
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To: Sam Cree

Use the root domain for other locations :)

I've been going to the Bahamas since they were a British colony...haven't been in a few years though ..

http://stormcarib.com/reports/2004/bahamas.shtml


429 posted on 09/03/2004 10:09:20 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: bd476

I have learned the hard way: post where it's most likely found (including after the fact). Having said that, it's a judgement call whether to keep posting on the original thread, vs. the "new" ones. Depends on the level of 'breaking,' I suppose. If it's rolling, stay with it. If it's shifting, move. I'm just Ms. Advice tonight eh :)


430 posted on 09/03/2004 10:09:51 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Indie

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=LKWF1


431 posted on 09/03/2004 10:17:49 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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Idle conversation: where are they putting 2.5 million evacuees?


432 posted on 09/03/2004 10:24:40 PM PDT by lainie
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To: lainie
Good question.

As I recall upthread someone posted a list of shelters with phone numbers and their capacities, or maybe that was on Thursday's thread.

433 posted on 09/03/2004 10:27:42 PM PDT by bd476
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To: Indie
National Data Buoy Center Lake Worth Florida

That's a cool link you posted for conditions near Lake Worth Florida, Indie. It's great that one can phone the id# of a floating buoy to get current weather conditions or you can read current weather conditions as reported by ships in the area.

434 posted on 09/03/2004 10:32:05 PM PDT by bd476
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To: lainie
Lessee, rolling stay and shifting move... where do door frames come in then?

Old earthquake joke: San Franciscans at a wine tasting party are startled by a 5.9 shake. One yells out "I was born in Palo Alto, I'm going to stand in the doorway!" The visiting New York friend yells "I was born on Long Island, where do I stand?"

435 posted on 09/03/2004 10:37:45 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

I've been looping the long range reflectivity from Miami. Frances is an ugly storm. No defined eye. Plus, it's either falling apart or accelerating almost due west. There are storms close to the center of circulation so it's hard to tell whether the center is moving or if new storms are being generated.


436 posted on 09/03/2004 10:39:20 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: mikegi
Thanks for the update, Mike and I agree. I'm guessing that no one can accurately predict at this point if it will break up or increase in intensity.

There's a lot of hope in the current forecast, but the risk for anyone to tempt fate and let down their guard is much too great, imho. The storm won't be over until it goes out into the Atlantic as a bunch of broken up dissipating clouds.

437 posted on 09/03/2004 10:44:37 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

lol! Just two days ago I read that there were protestors outside Fox & Friends (FNC morning show in NYC) and a reporter asked them (on tape) what they were protesting. The reply was 'not sure, we haven't been told yet.' Wish I could find the link, but I know I read it here.

I say, door frames fall under the "roll with it" scenario. Unless they splinter and disintegrate, in which case, get the hell out. And be the first one, and say, "I'm from California. I expected this."


438 posted on 09/03/2004 10:58:44 PM PDT by lainie
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000
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TCPAT1
BULLETIN
HURRICANE FRANCES INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER  41A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
2 AM EDT SAT SEP 04 2004
 
...FRANCES NEAR GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND...

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA
FROM FLORIDA CITY NORTHWARD TO FLAGLER BEACH...INCLUDING LAKE
OKEECHOBEE. A HURRICANE WARNING ALSO REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE
NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS.  A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE
CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24
HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED
TO COMPLETION.
 
A HURRICANE WATCH AND A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAIN IN EFFECT FROM
NORTH OF FLAGLER BEACH TO FERNANDINA BEACH.
 
A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT ON THE SOUTHERN FLORIDA
PENINSULA FROM BONITA BEACH TO SOUTH OF FLORIDA CITY...AND FOR THE
MIDDLE AND UPPER KEYS FROM SOUTH OF FLORIDA CITY TO THE SEVEN MILE
BRIDGE...AND FOR FLORIDA BAY.

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE FLORIDA WEST COAST
FROM NORTH OF BONITA BEACH TO THE SUWANNEE RIVER.
 
AT 2 AM EDT...0600Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE FRANCES WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 26.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE  78.0 WEST OR ABOUT 45 MILES
...70 KM...EAST OF FREEPORT GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND. THIS IS
ALSO ABOUT 135 MILES EAST OF WEST PALM BEACH FLORIDA.
 
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL HOURS FRANCES HAS BEEN MOVING TOWARD THE
NORTHWEST NEAR 6 MPH...9 KM/HR.  A RETURN TO A WEST-NORTHWESTERLY
TRACK IS EXPECTED LATER THIS MORNING...ALTHOUGH SOME ERRATIC MOTION
CAN BE EXPECTED AS STEERING CURRENTS REMAIN WEAK.  ON THE FORECAST
TRACK...THE LARGE CORE OF HURRICANE FRANCES WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE
SLOWLY OVER THE NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS OVERNIGHT...AND WILL BE VERY
NEAR THE FLORIDA EAST COAST BY LATE SATURDAY.
 
FRANCES IS A STRONG CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE.  MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS
ARE NEAR 105 MPH...165 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS.  FRANCES IS
EXPECTED TO REMAIN A BORDERLINE CATEGORY TWO/THREE HURRICANE UNTIL
LANDFALL.
 
HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 110 MILES...175 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 200 MILES...325 KM.  
 
THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS  961 MB...28.38 INCHES. 
 
STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 5 TO 12 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...
ALONG WITH DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE EXPECTED NEAR THE EYE
OF FRANCES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND.  STORM SURGE
FLOODING OF 3 TO 5 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS CAN BE EXPECTED ON
THE WEST SIDE OF THE OTHER ISLANDS OF THE BAHAMAS.  COASTAL STORM
SURGE FLOODING OF 4 TO 5 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...ALONG WITH
LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE EXPECTED NEAR AND TO
THE NORTH OF WHERE THE CENTER MAKES LANDFALL IN FLORIDA.  STORM
SURGE FLOODING OF 5 FEET ABOVE NORMAL LEVELS IS EXPECTED
IN LAKE OKEECHOBEE.  ALONG THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA COAST...STORM SURGE
FLOODING OF 1 TO 3 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVEL CAN BE EXPECTED.
 
RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 7 TO 12 INCHES...LOCALLY AS HIGH AS 20 INCHES...
ARE POSSIBLE IN ASSOCIATION WITH FRANCES OVER THE BAHAMAS.
 
SWELLS GENERATED BY FRANCES ARE AFFECTING PORTIONS OF THE
SOUTHEASTERN COAST OF THE UNITED STATES.  THESE SWELLS COULD CAUSE
DANGEROUS SURF AND RIP CURRENTS.
 
REPEATING THE 2 AM EDT POSITION...26.4 N... 78.0 W.  MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTHWEST NEAR  6 MPH.  MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
WINDS...105 MPH.  MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 961 MB.
 
FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.
 
THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 5 AM EDT.
 
FORECASTER FRANKLIN
 
 
$$


439 posted on 09/03/2004 11:10:36 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Shortwave Hurricane watch net 14.325 - KA4EPS Deerfield Beach, Fl

When I click on that link, this is what I recieve; a new browser window pops open:

[playlist]
numberofentries=2
File1=http://67.108.86.43:8000
Title1=(#1 - 9/200) Shortwave Hurricane watch net 14.325 - KA4EPS Deerfield Beach, Fl www.ka4eps.com
Length1=-1
File2=http://66.54.65.166:8056
Title2=(#2 - 5/5) Shortwave Hurricane watch net 14.325 - KA4EPS Deerfield Beach, Fl www.ka4eps.com
Length2=-1
Version=2

440 posted on 09/03/2004 11:48:15 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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