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To: Southack
Yes, this treaty enlarges Social Security, but by only 10,000 legal workers per year...not by "literally millions" of illegal workers...and that tiny "enlargement" of SS is little more than a bookkeeping change that is needed in order to eliminate Mexico's double-tax on American workers in Mexico and on Mexican workers in the U.S.

You said that the SSA does not pay money to illegal aliens and I've shown that you were wrong, yet you did not acknowledge your error.

Now you're saying that this agreement will prevent the millions of Mexican illegals already here and at home in Mexico from applying for and receiving benefits despite their immigration status, yet have provided no documentary evidence to support your assertions.

The GAO analysis I've provided shows that this is the case. Mexican illegal aliens are eligible under this agreement to receive SSA retirement and disability benefits.

Here is a letter from James Sensenbrenner and John Hostettler to SSA commissioner Barnhart:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary/barnhart072304.pdf

..."Congress designed section 211 of SSPA to prevent – in most cases – individuals from receiving Social Security retirement or disability benefits on the basis of work illegally performed by aliens in the United States. The Senate Finance Committee’s Report, filed with the legislation, stated (regarding section 211) that “[i]ndividuals who were never legally permitted to work in the United States should not be able to collect Social Security benefits on the basis of their illegal earnings. The Social Security program should not reward those who violate our immigration laws.”1 The Social Security Trust Fund will face enough challenges to its solvency in future decades without being dissipated by payments based on work performed illegally in the United States. Additionally, there is no greater magnet for illegal immigration to the U.S. than the availability of jobs, and allowing illegal work to qualify for Social Security retirement and disability benefits only adds to the allure of such work and our difficulty in controlling the Nation’s borders...."

..."On June 29, 2004, you and Mexican Social Security Institute Director Santiago Levy signed a Totalization Agreement in Guadalajara, Mexico. We have seen an earlier draft of this agreement that omits any mention or discussion of segregating earnings from Mexican or American wage earners working legally versus those working illegally. It is extremely important that the Totalization Agreement with Mexico be amended to incorporate language that addresses section 211's prohibition, so that there will be no misunderstanding with this important neighbor, and so that Social Security benefits, even on a pro-rata basis, are not provided in violation of federal law..."

Do you have any documents (other than a press release from the SSA) which show that the House Judiciary Committee Chairman's and Subcommittee Chairman's and GAO conclusions are incorrect or that the GAO analysis is inaccurate?

139 posted on 09/02/2004 12:42:31 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

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140 posted on 09/02/2004 12:48:02 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Do you have any documents (other than a press release from the SSA) which show that the House Judiciary Committee Chairman's and Subcommittee Chairman's and GAO conclusions are incorrect or that the GAO analysis is inaccurate?

They don't exist Dan.

143 posted on 09/02/2004 12:57:22 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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