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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
"The term, "unauthorized worker" is the same as illegal alien and US taxpayer dollars will be paid to literally millions of newly eligible Mexican illegal aliens under this Totalization Agreement with Mexico.. Cortesía de la Administración de Jorge Arbusto."

No, no, and no. Per your own posts above, which you've already seem to have forgotten, the new Totalization treaty only applies to 50,000 new people, in total, over all of the next 5 years.

That's an average of 10,000 people per year. If that was the limit and full scope/scale of our entire illegal immigration problem, no one would even care.

But 50,000 does not compare to our 8 million illegal aliens.

Further, you seem to have difficulty accepting that 3,000 of those 50,000 new workers are *Americans* legally working in Mexico.

Moreover, you are deliberately obfuscating the difference between eliminating a double-tax, which is all that the Totalization Treaty does, from that of enlarging Social Security.

Yes, this treaty enlarges Social Security, but by only 10,000 legal workers per year...not by "literally millions" of illegal workers...and that tiny "enlargement" of SS is little more than a bookkeeping change that is needed in order to eliminate Mexico's double-tax on American workers in Mexico and on Mexican workers in the U.S.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

134 posted on 09/02/2004 11:06:03 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Yes, this treaty enlarges Social Security, but by only 10,000 legal workers per year...not by "literally millions" of illegal workers...and that tiny "enlargement" of SS is little more than a bookkeeping change that is needed in order to eliminate Mexico's double-tax on American workers in Mexico and on Mexican workers in the U.S.

You said that the SSA does not pay money to illegal aliens and I've shown that you were wrong, yet you did not acknowledge your error.

Now you're saying that this agreement will prevent the millions of Mexican illegals already here and at home in Mexico from applying for and receiving benefits despite their immigration status, yet have provided no documentary evidence to support your assertions.

The GAO analysis I've provided shows that this is the case. Mexican illegal aliens are eligible under this agreement to receive SSA retirement and disability benefits.

Here is a letter from James Sensenbrenner and John Hostettler to SSA commissioner Barnhart:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary/barnhart072304.pdf

..."Congress designed section 211 of SSPA to prevent – in most cases – individuals from receiving Social Security retirement or disability benefits on the basis of work illegally performed by aliens in the United States. The Senate Finance Committee’s Report, filed with the legislation, stated (regarding section 211) that “[i]ndividuals who were never legally permitted to work in the United States should not be able to collect Social Security benefits on the basis of their illegal earnings. The Social Security program should not reward those who violate our immigration laws.”1 The Social Security Trust Fund will face enough challenges to its solvency in future decades without being dissipated by payments based on work performed illegally in the United States. Additionally, there is no greater magnet for illegal immigration to the U.S. than the availability of jobs, and allowing illegal work to qualify for Social Security retirement and disability benefits only adds to the allure of such work and our difficulty in controlling the Nation’s borders...."

..."On June 29, 2004, you and Mexican Social Security Institute Director Santiago Levy signed a Totalization Agreement in Guadalajara, Mexico. We have seen an earlier draft of this agreement that omits any mention or discussion of segregating earnings from Mexican or American wage earners working legally versus those working illegally. It is extremely important that the Totalization Agreement with Mexico be amended to incorporate language that addresses section 211's prohibition, so that there will be no misunderstanding with this important neighbor, and so that Social Security benefits, even on a pro-rata basis, are not provided in violation of federal law..."

Do you have any documents (other than a press release from the SSA) which show that the House Judiciary Committee Chairman's and Subcommittee Chairman's and GAO conclusions are incorrect or that the GAO analysis is inaccurate?

139 posted on 09/02/2004 12:42:31 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Southack
Well I notice you didn't answer my post asking if you have seen any ads in the Alabama newspapers for workers in Mexico.

Futher, you seem to have difficulty accepting that 3,000 of those 50,000 new workers are *Americans* legally working in Mexico.

So lets just break those numbers down a little bit. Using the number 3,000 Americans and 47,000 Mexicans, this means that we are going into this treay for 0.06 percent Americans. Also, using your figure of 600 American workers per year into the total population of 280,000,000 million Americans, this means we are signing this treaty for 0.000001 percent of our population.

We didn't even consider hundreds of thousand of Americans whose plants and factories we closed down for NAFTA or outsourcing. So now we are going to consider a miniscule percentage of the population for this treaty. Give me a break!

149 posted on 09/03/2004 2:26:15 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Southack

Also, add to my last post that their will be dependants added to Mexicans immediately eligible making the 47000 double. Remember, Mexico gets preferential treatment. Mustn't miss their votes.

This treaty with Mexico will be more than double all the other totalization treaties with Japan, Britain ect combined.


150 posted on 09/03/2004 2:34:35 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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