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Ex - Viet Cong Soldier Recalls Swift Boats [amazingly one-sided, even for MSM]
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS via NY Times ^ | August 31, 2004 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 08/31/2004 11:37:18 AM PDT by 68skylark

ON THE BAY HAP RIVER, Vietnam (AP) -- The 50-foot Swift boats were easy targets as they plowed through the waterways of the Mekong Delta in packs of three or four, making big waves and thunderous noise when approaching. Former Viet Cong soldier Duong Hoang Sinh remembers them well -- the one time he tangled with three Swift boats, the Americans killed all of the insurgents in his unit except for two.

``It was very fierce fighting,'' said Sinh, 52, who lost his left eye during the war and still has shrapnel embedded in his arm. ``Each side tried to eliminate the other.''

Sinh and John Kerry, the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee, were fighting along the Dong Cung canal around roughly the same time 35 years ago in early 1969, experiencing the intensity of war along these muddy waters, but from opposite sides.

Although Sinh had never heard of Kerry, he has a strong opinion about the debate surrounding the candidate's Vietnam War record as a U.S. Navy Swift boat commander: Kerry must have had guts to troll the Mekong Delta's spider web of rivers and narrow canals knowing that Viet Cong like himself were waiting to pick him off.

``Kerry served in Vietnam and he was awarded the medal for his bravery,'' Sinh said. ``He deserves the medal.''

The memories of the Swift boat battles in these waters are now being sharply scrutinized under the divisive lens of the U.S. presidential election, where Kerry's actions under fire have been disputed by a group of veterans.

As a Navy lieutenant, Kerry commanded two Swift boat units, PCF-44 and PCF-94, in Vietnam in late 1968 and early 1969. He was awarded three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star.

Kerry's actions in several of those instances -- including a March 13, 1969 incident when he rescued U.S. Army Special Forces Lt. Jim Rassmann under enemy fire; a February 28, 1969 incident when he chased and killed a Viet Cong fighter; and a December 1968 incident when he was wounded -- have been challenged in a series of television ads aired by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

They claim he did not come under heavy enemy fire as his medal citations state. But other veterans of the ``brown water navy'' who witnessed the fighting, along with Navy documents from that time, have backed Kerry's version of events.

The Associated Press took a boat tour along the same rivers and canals of the Mekong Delta that served as a battleground for Kerry. The people who live here now have worked hard to put the fighting behind them, but the memories persist.

When Kerry and Sinh plied these muddy waterways, mangroves grew thick on both sides of the Bay Hap River, forming a bushy shield of impenetrable green. It was perfect cover for Viet Cong guerillas who laid waiting to ambush the clunky U.S. Swift boats.

Sinh recalled one morning in February 1969 when he and six other insurgents watched silently from their hiding spot in the thick forest that grew along the banks of the Dong Cung canal, about 7.5 kilometers, or 4.7 miles, off the Bay Hap River in Vietnam's southernmost province of Ca Mau.

When the U.S. Navy boats rumbled into view, the Viet Cong were in for a shock as the Americans began firing on them. Sinh recalled his comrade got off one good shot from a B-40 rocket launcher, blasting a hole in the side of one vessel. But it wasn't enough. The Americans charged, unloading a hail of bullets, and Sinh realized this was not a fight his unit could win.

``We got more fire from the American soldiers after that. We tried to fight back, but decided to flee,'' he said.

He believes the Americans must have had intelligence about the planned ambush that day because the three U.S. boats fired first. Five of his comrades died, including his buddy who fired the crippling blast. Sinh escaped by fleeing into the dense forest.

He said it was the first and last time he fired at Swift boats along the waterways where he grew up. Not long after, he was sent away from his family in Dong Cung village to fight elsewhere, which is why he remembers the date so well. His village was renamed Tran Thoi after the war. To Sinh and those who still live along the Mekong Delta, the controversy over Kerry's tour of duty in Vietnam is dumbfounding. Since the war ended in 1975, they have reveled in peace and more recently, economic growth.

``I think it's American politics,'' said Nguyen Van Khoai, 61, a former Viet Cong soldier who attacked American troops along the water but never fought directly against the Swift boats. ``On any side, a soldier who made an outstanding feat is given a medal -- but maybe some people try to think otherwise.''

The area that once crawled with Viet Cong has changed. The thick mangrove forests that lined both sides of the Bay Hap River, Dong Cung canal and other tributaries are mostly gone. Some canals just wide enough for the U.S. Navy boats to pass through are double in size today.

Many more thatch houses are perched on stilts along the water's edge and small speed boats now zoom past. Shrimp farms litter the landscape where forests once grew, and the names of many wartime canals and villages have been changed.

Cai Nuoc village where Kerry put in on March 13, 1969 -- the day for which he was awarded his third Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for rescuing Rassmann -- has ballooned into a district. Cafes abound along the water here as well as shops selling a wide variety of wares, including shiny bathroom tile. A thriving floating market also bustles where mounds of ripe rambutan, pomelo and bananas form a rainbow of color.

But much also remains the same. The water is still dotted with children splashing and men checking fishing nets attached to crude sticks poking out of the river. The smell of diesel fuel and smoke is in the air and stinging downpours still come in the afternoon.

Many of the residents here in the Mekong Delta have never heard of Kerry. They do, however, remember the Swift boats and the Americans who roared by aboard them.

``I was very scared when I heard the American boats coming up the canal, so I had to hide in my back yard,'' said Phu Thi Nguyet, 60, who has lived along the Dong Cung canal since 1960.

For those who have followed the debate, the Kerry controversy is confusing.

``It's very strange in a way. It's just a small thing, but they have made it into a big deal,'' said Lam The Hung, 42, a native of Cai Nuoc village who now serves as a provincial official in Ca Mau. ``The fact that one soldier rescued another -- that happened thousands of times among the Vietnamese, so I don't understand.''

Hung said he's also puzzled by the uproar over Kerry's decision to join the anti-war movement upon returning home. He said Kerry's actions proved he learned a lot during his time in Vietnam and that he wanted to keep other Americans from dying here.

``When they went home, they knew the nature of the war and the people here were innocent and they knew it was nonsense to wage war here,'' said Hung, whose two older brothers joined the Viet Cong and laid mines in the rivers where the Swift boats operated.

And while Kerry may be worried about veterans' support in America, Sinh said he would vote any day for his former enemy over President Bush. In the veteran's opinion, Kerry's experience along these rivers fighting Viet Cong might keep him from sending other young Americans to invade countries.

``He knew the suffering and how much misery it brought to the people of Vietnam -- he knew the cruelty of war,'' Sinh said. ``So, I don't think he would go to war again if he's elected.''


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; election2004; endorsement; kerry; kerrycampaign; mediakerrysuckup; militaryrecord; sbv; vietcong; vietcongendorsement; vietcongforkerry; vietnam
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To: 68skylark
The 50-foot Swift boats were easy targets as they plowed through the waterways of the Mekong Delta in packs of three or four . . .

Unless of course they are picking up people you made fall overboard and the boats are nearly still. In that case they are nearly impossible to hit.

21 posted on 08/31/2004 11:48:58 AM PDT by Andyman
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To: 68skylark
And while Kerry may be worried about veterans' support in America, Sinh said he would vote any day for his former enemy over President Bush. In the veteran's opinion, Kerry's experience along these rivers fighting Viet Cong might keep him from sending other young Americans to invade countries.

Maybe Kerry should run for President of Vietnam.

This has to be one of the more slanted 'AP via NYTimes' articles I've seen.

22 posted on 08/31/2004 11:50:05 AM PDT by spodefly (Just put Ur name on this pre-nup and we can all hit the disco ...)
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To: 68skylark

> ... Sinh, 52, who lost his left eye during the war
> and still has shrapnel embedded in his arm.

Edwards has already contacted this guy. Since Edwards
will need a new job on 03 Nov, he's planning to
represent Sinh in a personal injury suit against Kerry.


23 posted on 08/31/2004 11:50:44 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Kerry's "Foreign Leaders" go public

24 posted on 08/31/2004 11:51:53 AM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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To: piasa
Sinh said. ``He deserves the medal.'

Was this VC ON Kerry's boat? Then how can he know if Kerry deserved the medal???

25 posted on 08/31/2004 11:52:27 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: ProudVet77

"BAY HAP RIVER"

That's how it was spelled in the recent "Reconstructing the Bay Hap River Incident" type stories.

The Kerrylites are fantasizing that he bravery is the foremost issue. It's the Purple hearts.

BTW, the "B-40" reference was specifically implanted to match Kerry's after action report.

If not meant as a joke, this article is disinformation.


26 posted on 08/31/2004 11:53:08 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: spodefly
This has to be one of the more slanted 'AP via NYTimes' articles I've seen.

Yeah, they're not even trying to hide their feelings. I was going to say that this reads like a Democratic press release. But even the Democrats have more sense than to put out this kind of endorsement from a communist enemy without seeing the irony. That's something that only the MSM could imagine doing.

27 posted on 08/31/2004 11:53:21 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

This is rich!..Kerry endorsed by a VC(not to be confused with Kerry's flying dog)


28 posted on 08/31/2004 11:54:08 AM PDT by mystery-ak (This President, This Time......Ron Silver)
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To: Leapfrog
How man man-hours do you suppose the Slimes put into finding this one guy?

Did the NY Times rehire Jason Blair and give him this assignment? Sounds like pure horse-pucky to me ...

29 posted on 08/31/2004 11:56:13 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: 68skylark

``So, I don't think he would go to war again if he's elected.''



Well, all-righty then!!! That should settle things!


30 posted on 08/31/2004 11:56:30 AM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: 68skylark

I got no problem with Kerry's four months. I have a problem with the rules changing. In 1971 it was OK for one guy to testify, using hearsay, that 2,000,000 vets other than himself were baby killers, but he was proud of his personal service.

But in 2004 it is not OK for vets to criticise another vet's service. How convenient.


31 posted on 08/31/2004 11:57:19 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: 68skylark; Travis McGee; PhilDragoo

No surprise that a Charlie, Viet Cong, worships Kerry.


32 posted on 08/31/2004 11:58:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: 68skylark

Considering that the Viet Cong can't comprehend attacking Kerry's war record, it's clear that I need to give up. Kerry is a genuine war hero!


33 posted on 08/31/2004 11:59:14 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (John Kerry fled while good men bled.)
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To: js1138

Exactly. The only thing that's consistent is their lust for power. Everything else is "situational," and changes at their will depending on how it helps or hurts their quest for power.


34 posted on 08/31/2004 12:00:10 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
NY Times believes the VC, but not 240 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth members, American sailors?
Amazing isn't it? Truly hard to believe.
35 posted on 08/31/2004 12:00:13 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
NY Times believes the VC,

Wouldn't actually surprise me if the NYT made up the VC. How exactly would he identify a battle that took place 30-35 years ago in a 20-year war if he doesn't know Kerry (or anything else to distinguish it from perhaps hundreds of battles)? I just find it hard to picture

36 posted on 08/31/2004 12:01:10 PM PDT by maryz
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To: 68skylark

Frankly, the Magi-parody's more believable.


37 posted on 08/31/2004 12:03:07 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: 68skylark
"Hung Lo said Lt. Kerry's boat must have been brave to venture up the Bung Hol Channel"?????????
38 posted on 08/31/2004 12:03:31 PM PDT by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: 68skylark

Excellent response -- Most Swift Boat veterans spent a whole year in country (unless they got shot first) and were in danger most of the time. They have a legitimate right to tell their tale. If Kerry was a opportunistic hot-dogger who endangered the others, I imagine they were happy to see him go so they could go about their job with one fewer problem.

For a view of the relationship between my unit (Coast Guard Squadron One) and the swifties, visit this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197895/posts


39 posted on 08/31/2004 12:04:10 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: maryz

It was easy to find this guy. Vietnam is a communist tyranny -- they just have to check in with their comrades at the Ministry of Propaganda, who will happily provide someone to cheerfully give the party line. Whoever they pick will say whatever they want -- if he ever wants to eat again.


40 posted on 08/31/2004 12:04:39 PM PDT by 68skylark
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