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Refugees From Vietnam Unimpressed With Kerry
Town Hall ^ | August 31, 2004

Posted on 08/31/2004 2:45:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Pacific Rim Bureau (CNSNews.com) - They may not have a vote in November's U.S. presidential election, but many Vietnamese living in Australia would like to see the campaign focus more on Senator John Kerry's approach toward Vietnam today than on what he did there more than 30 years ago.

Comprising mostly refugees who fled the communist regime's repression in Hanoi, the 200,000-plus Vietnamese living in Australia take a keen interest in the situation in their homeland, community general-secretary Trung Doan said Tuesday.

Like their counterparts living in the United States, many were incensed when U.S. legislation aimed at forcing the Vietnamese government to improve its human rights record stalled in the Senate three years ago.

The measure, which tied U.S. aid to Vietnam's human rights performance, passed by a 410-1 margin in the House of Representatives, but Kerry, then-chairman of the Senate's East Asian and Pacific Affairs subcommittee, blocked any further progress.

Kerry said in a statement at the time that he and fellow Vietnam War veteran Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) "are concerned that denying aid to Vietnam would actually slow human rights improvements."

Last month the House again voted to freeze any increases in non-humanitarian aid to Vietnam.

The Vietnam Human Rights Act, sponsored by New Jersey Republican Chris Smith, passed by a 323-45 vote. Vietnamese American advocacy groups are now lobbying for quick Senate passage.

Hanoi's official Voice of Vietnam broadcaster called the law "a product of the old-fashioned psychological war and full of distortions and fabrications," and expressed the hope that the Senate would, once again, kill the initiative.

Doan said for many Vietnamese living in the West, Kerry's handling of the legislation in 2001 was deplorable.

"He did it in a pretty underhanded way," he said. "He didn't [allow] debate but just put it in a bottom drawer. That showed us he is motivated by his own agenda."

"Many Vietnamese-Americans are concerned about John Kerry becoming president," said Doan. "Based on his past actions they have reason to believe that he will support the regime in Vietnam based on his own emotions, not on America's national interest."

He cited Kerry's actions in 2001, as well as his earlier antiwar activism.

Doan said members of the Vietnamese community in Australia paid close attention to developments in Vietnam and to Western governments' dealings with Hanoi.

"If you look at Vietnamese newspapers [here], human rights issues are often on the front page or quite prominent. Lately there have been quite a few big demonstrations, and they relate in one way or another to repression by the regime."

Of particular concern in recent years has been the treatment of religious groups not recognized by the state. Members of the Protestant Hmong minority have been ordered to renounce their faith, and the mainly Christian Montagnard (mountain people) of the central highlands were subjected to a violent crackdown last Easter.

Democracy activists have been jailed or placed under house arrest, often punished for using the Internet to press for respect for human rights.

One of them, Pham Hong Son was sentenced to 13 years in jail for posting a translated essay on democracy - which he originally found on a U.S. Embassy website - on the Internet.

Another, Dr. Nguyen Dan Que, was recently jailed for 30 months for "abusing democratic freedoms" by posting on the Internet writings critical of government censorship.

Vietnamese living abroad often felt helpless to influence their governments' foreign policy, but they did what they can to make their voices heard, Doan said.

Near Sydney last weekend, some 5,000 marched to protest a celebratory function organized by a local city council which has a sister city relationship with the Vietnamese city of Vung Tau.

Last October, about 20,000 Vietnamese protested in Australia's two largest cities after a government-funded television station aimed at ethnic communities began to air Vietnamese communist news programs. The broadcaster backed down and apologized.

While Vietnamese-Australians are obviously most concerned about Canberra's dealings with Hanoi, what happens in the U.S. is seen of particular importance, and most would have heard about the Vietnam Human Rights Act in the U.S. Congress, Doan said.

"I think most people in my community feel it would be a good development for that law to be passed, because we understand very well that the Hanoi regime will not respect human rights unless it is forced to do so. It doesn't do it of its own volition."

'Worse since 2001'

Many Vietnamese living abroad, along with human rights campaigners, say conditions in Vietnam have deteriorated in the three years since Kerry blocked the legislation.

The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom has since 2002 been pressing the State Department to name Vietnam as a "country of particular concern" (CPCs) for their religious freedom violations, a designation that can lead to sanctions or other punitive measures. Vietnam has yet to be added to the CPC list.

Dr. Cuong Trong Bui, a physician who was federal president of the Vietnamese community in Australia from 1982-1992, said in a phone interview he did not believe passage of the U.S. law in 2001 would have necessarily made a huge difference to "the poor people inside the country."

But it may have brought pressure to bear on Hanoi in various ways, he said, for instance making its bid to join the World Trade Organization that little bit harder: "They would have been forced to change."

Bui, a 59-year-old father of two who fled his homeland in 1975, said he hoped the Vietnam Human Rights Act would get through the Senate quickly.

But he was concerned it may run out of time. And while he thought a Kerry election victory was unlikely, he worried that if the Democrat was successful, efforts to pressurize Hanoi would fizzle out.

Bui expressed strong views about Kerry, whom he said was "so close to the Vietnamese communist government."

He referred to Kerry's anti-war activism, including his claims before the Senate foreign relations committee in 1971 that "war crimes" by U.S. soldiers had occurred on a day-by-day basis in Vietnam.

"He said a lot of things quite harmful to the involvement of America in Vietnam," Bui said.

"He said American soldiers were there to kill Vietnamese rather than to defend Vietnamese. He was a soldier of that army, and finally he comes back and abuses that army. But he didn't mention anything about the atrocities of the Vietnamese communists."

Bui was working as a doctor during the war, and said he clearly recalled the sight of children with limbs blown off by North Vietnamese forces who targeted a school in the town where he worked.

"I saw that with my own eyes and I still remember it vividly - John Kerry never mentioned anything like that.

"And John Kerry just ignores all of the violation of human rights happening [today] in Vietnam," he added.

'Stand with the oppressed'

Meanwhile in the U.S., advocacy groups are lobbying hard the get the Vietnam Human Rights Act through the Senate, Vietnamese-American Public Affairs Committee (VPAC) representative Dan Hoang said Tuesday.

He said the human rights situation in Vietnam provoked strong feelings in the community. "Perhaps the one issue that unifies Vietnamese-Americans is the plight of those from their native country."

"Since Senator Kerry blocked the Vietnam Human Rights Act, some of Vietnam's most courageous voices like Nobel nominees Dr. Nguyen Dan Que and Venerable Thich Quang Do have been persecuted solely for exercising their basic human rights."

Hoang cited other developments since 2001, including the targeting of religious leaders and worshippers and the imprisonment of "Internet activists."

Asked his view about Kerry's 2001 statement that restricting aid to Hanoi would slow improvements in human rights, Hoang gave the argument short shrift.

"The best way to improve human rights in Vietnam is to stand with the oppressed, not the oppressors," he declared.

See also:

US Seeks Details of Reported Crackdown on Christians in Vietnam (Apr. 14, 2004)

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2004; kerry; refugees; sbvt; swiftboat; veterans; vietnam
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1 posted on 08/31/2004 2:45:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

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2 posted on 08/31/2004 2:49:35 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; ALOHA RONNIE
One [dissident in Vietnam], Pham Hong Son was sentenced to 13 years in jail for posting a translated essay on democracy - which he originally found on a U.S. Embassy website - on the Internet.

Vietnam will be free one day, no thanks to Kerry.

3 posted on 08/31/2004 3:01:57 AM PDT by risk
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To: All

This subject is well covered in UNFIT FOR COMMAND but I have not seen one journalist review this. When you add the fact that Kerry while leading only 600 VVAW at first and was able to get an audience with the North Viet Nam, it makes you wonder, "who were his contacts."

Nick


4 posted on 08/31/2004 3:20:30 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
CW, thanks for posting this. I only wonder when some honest and enterprising American reporter will cover the high-level of animosity toward Kerry in the Vietnamese-American community.

Despite John Kerry's prediction of a benign communist takeover in South Vietnam, after the Kerry-inspired pullout in 1975 at least six of my wife's relatives were consigned to three-year stretches at "reeducation camps." Two came home permanently crippled. All were subject to various degrees of torture. And even today, the father of her best friend is serving his second 15-year prison term for the simple act of advocating democracy in Vietnam (http://www.pttndt.org).

Polling done last year indicated that the Vietnamese-American community supported the war in Iraq and the war on terror by higher percentages than even native Americans, with 80 to 90 percent favoring GWB's approach (see Vietnamese, Filipinos Top Supporters of War in Iraq and First Multilingual Poll of Immigrant Opinions on War in Iraq).

The Vietnamese-American community (which started with 1.2 million refugees but is now much larger due to the growth of families and post-1985 immigration) is well aware of John Kerry's historic treachery against the United States and South Vietnam. He is regularly called "mac con ngua" (horse face) and "phan boi" (traitor) on the front pages of the leading weekly Vietnamese-American newspapers.

Finally, not one of the millions of Vietnamese-American citizens now in the United States has ever come forth to support Kerry's charges of atrocities against Vietnamese civilians. Not one. Yet they are universally aware of the war crimes perpetrated against Vietnamese civilians by the Vietcong and the NVA, both before and after 1975.

From 1971 to the present day, John Kerry has done everything in his power to make the lives of the North Vietnamese communists as comfortable as is possible.

5 posted on 08/31/2004 3:50:09 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
To read the latest on the Franchurian Candidate's bizzare exploits, click the picture, goto "last," and work backwards:

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If, perchance, the top "click the pic" link is not visible, click here:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--


Judge for yourself- see the SwiftVet ads here:

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 The video
The first two ads:
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Take a look at these three short video clips, especially the last one. You will walk away with a heavy heart.

POW'S TELL ABOUT TORTURE


Here is a link to page full of video and audio links.
"Stolen Honor" is at the top.


The newest SBV ad:

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6 posted on 08/31/2004 3:53:34 AM PDT by backhoe (1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: backhoe

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JOHN KERRY = Col. KURTZ's Grocery Clerk


JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320


7 posted on 08/31/2004 6:39:06 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets


8 posted on 08/31/2004 6:39:28 AM PDT by petercooper (Kerry passes up terror briefing: "They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had time.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bump, my two cents. Kerry sucks, TG the swiftboat vets are exposing JFK.
9 posted on 08/31/2004 6:44:56 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: angkor
I only wonder when some honest and enterprising American reporter will cover the high-level of animosity toward Kerry in the Vietnamese-American community.

I've been wondering this myself. It would make an interesting story, and certainly a relevant and timely one. Our press really fails us. I wish everyone could read FR so they could see these sorts of articles (and comments like yours...very interesting about your wife's family).

10 posted on 08/31/2004 6:48:50 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks, RONNIE- link's copied & saved.


11 posted on 08/31/2004 6:54:16 AM PDT by backhoe (1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

California has about 500,000 Vietnamese. They could be an important part of the electorate in that state. There are 50,000 in Washington State. The Vietnamese community in the US is decidedly anti-Kerry.


12 posted on 08/31/2004 6:58:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
concerned that denying aid to Vietnam would actually slow human rights improvements.

Yes - rewarding bad behavior is always the shortest path to stopping it...

13 posted on 08/31/2004 7:11:54 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: kabar

Don't forget Seabrook and Kemah Texas. Shouldn't have to go to Austrailia to get a comment.


14 posted on 08/31/2004 7:13:56 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: kabar; chuckles; Cincinatus' Wife; Yardstick
The Vietnamese community in the US is decidedly anti-Kerry.

Decidedly and hugely.

The Vietnamese-American community doesn't typically make a lot of public noise about American politics (the grace of refugees), but they hold back nothing in the more insulated environment of the Vietnamese-American press.

There, Kerry is nothing less than a traitor, and that's exactly what they call him.

15 posted on 08/31/2004 7:32:51 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Yardstick; angkor; chuckles; kabar
I only wonder when some honest and enterprising American reporter will cover the high-level of animosity toward Kerry in the Vietnamese-American community.

Ask and ye shall receive. LITTLE SAIGON EYES KERRY Vietnamese refugees everywhere despise Kerry.

16 posted on 08/31/2004 8:28:31 AM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Last October, about 20,000 Vietnamese protested in Australia's two largest cities after a government-funded television station aimed at ethnic communities began to air Vietnamese communist news programs."

lol.... the Australian government is promoting communism? sheessh...and I thought our government was brain dead?
17 posted on 08/31/2004 8:34:25 AM PDT by monday
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To: angkor
Thank you for the post angkor.

I can't begin to tell you how much your words and the suffering your family has endured, articulates who John Kerry is and what he will do as leader of the U.S. To think he holds any office at all is an insult to what our Republic was based on.
18 posted on 09/01/2004 4:07:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; angkor
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Bump.

Added a link for this story to my John F. Kerry Timeline.

I hope we hear more from the Vietnamese-American community.
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19 posted on 09/07/2004 10:27:14 PM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: christie

Bump!


20 posted on 09/08/2004 1:28:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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