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Mark Steyn: Howard should start caring about Bush
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 08/31/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/30/2004 4:13:24 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: DCPatriot

We started here in the 4th grade. Makes things much easier; I don't have to tell my daughter to laugh at the 'unbiased' media, she does it all on her own.


21 posted on 08/30/2004 7:11:50 PM PDT by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: kingu
You have no idea how great that makes me feel.

It's important to point out that the MSM has a LIBERAL agenda.

To think of discovering it at 10 years old makes me smile.

Cheers!

22 posted on 08/30/2004 7:18:08 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot
To think of discovering it at 10 years old makes me smile.

Even for the young, it can be hard to miss. One of my earlier memories is of watching the news, with Dan Rather reporting on the Vietnam war. I turned to my father and said, "Wow! That guy really doesn't like America, does he?"

He's never done anything in the years in between to change that opinion, either.

23 posted on 08/30/2004 7:30:07 PM PDT by irv
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To: Pokey78

New Labour has its loony Left but I hazard a guess the Blair Labourites would have no trouble finding a home in the U.S Republican Party. I just don't see Brits voting for the loonier Democrats, a splinter Lefty faction of Labour or for the In Name Only Tories.


24 posted on 08/30/2004 8:50:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator; Pokey78; shaggy eel

<< .... an argument that would be more persuasive if so many of the trouble spots currently requiring America's attention weren't assisted on their path to chronic dysfunctionalism by the "wise old birds" of British imperialism. [Just for starters: -- Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Sudan]

Scratch an anywhere-in-the-world problem and find the corrupt and/or murderous surrogate detritus of once-great-british and/or other dead-and-decadent euro-peon failure!

<< "Among the alternatives Tories ... are floating in private are "the Democrats," the "New Democrats" and "Progress."

The first is the name of the US Left-of-centre party, the second is the Canadian socialist party, and the third .... carries the vague whiff of a 1930s Mitteleuropean fascist movement.

Given that the Tories' identity is notable mainly by its absence, wouldn't it be easiest just to change the name to the Not The Conservative Party? >>

Thus does Mr Steyn succinctly synopsize all that is rotten -- and not just with Howards tories [For the great majority of Blair's Socialists are far more rotten that Howard's drivilling dribling dopes!] -- in once-great british politics.

As for a new name for that sorry supercilious shower of ... um ... losers?

How's about the incrementalist-socialists?

Thanks for the ping, Pokes.

BUMPping


25 posted on 08/30/2004 9:00:04 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- AND A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: dfwgator
And don't even get me started on the messes the French have left behind.

At least Tony Blair had a sense of history and stood beside us on Iraq, against popular opinion in his country. The french actively opposed us on Vietnam.

26 posted on 08/30/2004 9:13:55 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Pokey78

Could I not bump a Steyn post. Hah!


27 posted on 08/30/2004 9:17:41 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Malesherbes
his hobby is dog sledding.

Damned Canadians. ;-)

28 posted on 08/30/2004 9:35:21 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: Pokey78

bttt


29 posted on 08/30/2004 10:16:37 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Pokey78
The Tories so botched the Iraq war as an issue, it will be decades before they see another majority. So, so stupid. I couldn't believe what I was seeing during Prime Minister's Questions every week.

William Hague was England's only chance.

30 posted on 08/30/2004 11:08:01 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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To: dfwgator
an argument that would be more persuasive if so many of the trouble spots currently requiring America's attention weren't assisted on their path to chronic dysfunctionalism by the wise old birds of British imperialism (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Sudan).

That's a very glib thing to say if you consider that three quarters of the globe was at some time under British control. And, leaving aside such issues as whether the British Empire was a civilising influence or otherwise, whether these now "chronically dysfunctional" countries were havens of enlightenment and tolerance before being brutally crushed by British Imperial Fascists, what exactly is his point here? Is he saying that these countries are in the mess they are in now as a result of British non-interventionism? Or is he talking out of his arse? If he wants to make such comparisons he should wait another four hundred years for the effects of current American foreign policy to fully develop.

31 posted on 08/31/2004 12:34:41 AM PDT by burlywood
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To: Brian Allen
Among the alternatives... are "the Democrats," the "New Democrats" and "Progress.

and the third .... carries the vague whiff of a 1930s Mitteleuropean fascist movement.

It does. And it's also the name of the looniest Left party, the junior member of the country's coalition government. Apropos, it is represented in New Zealand parliament by 2 (two) MPs, both of them ministers.

32 posted on 08/31/2004 3:45:47 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Pokey78; xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ...
Thank you for the ping, Pokey :-)

Mark Steyn MEGA PING!!!


33 posted on 08/31/2004 4:29:42 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: burlywood

The Brits were not alone in departing from their colonies, leaving behind artificial borders comprising groups of people who were not prepared to live compatibly together, but they might have invented the tactic.


34 posted on 08/31/2004 4:41:12 AM PDT by maica (BIG Media is not mainstream. We are right. They are left, not center.)
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To: Pokey78

I have heard that the Tories are dead in the UK, but Steyn, as usual, explains why. What a teacher he is.

BTW, Freepers picked up on "wankers" several years ago, but I cannot remember the context in which it came to fame here. Do you remember?


35 posted on 08/31/2004 4:44:32 AM PDT by maica (BIG Media is not mainstream. We are right. They are left, not center.)
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To: Pokey78
From www.nzherald.co.nz:
Michael Howard

White House bans British Opposition leader

30.08.2004

LONDON - British Conservative leader Michael Howard has accused President George W. Bush of trying to protect British Prime Minister Tony Blair in an extraordinary row sparked by news that the Tory leader has been banned from the White House...


36 posted on 08/31/2004 4:55:14 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Pokey78; dighton; aculeus; general_re; L,TOWM; Constitution Day; hellinahandcart
"Among the alternative names that Tory modernisers are floating in private are the Democrats, the New Democrats, Progress."

How about "The Standining-in-the-Back-Dressed-Funny-and-Looking-Stupid-Party"?

37 posted on 08/31/2004 5:00:49 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: BlueLancer
How about "The Standing-in-the-Back-Dressed-Funny-and-Looking-Stupid-Party"?

It's far too early in the morning to be alive.

38 posted on 08/31/2004 5:01:40 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: RonDog
See also, from:

TORY leader Michael Howard has been barred from the White House
The SUN ^ | 08/27/04 | TREVOR KAVANAGH
Posted on 08/27/2004 7:49:05 PM PDT by Pikamax

Bush: Stay away Howard
By TREVOR KAVANAGH Political Editor

TORY leader Michael Howard has been barred from the White House and told he will never meet President George Bush, it emerged last night.

The bombshell ban was slapped on Mr Howard after he called for Tony Blair to quit over the Iraq War.

And it was reinforced last month when he said he would have vetoed military action if he had known the full facts about Iraq’s WMD arsenal.

Last night, a spokesman for Mr Howard did not even try to deny the Tory leader had been banned from meeting the President.

He said: “I don’t want to comment on that.”

The wrath of the President was transmitted to Mr Howard’s office in a furious phone call from White House political chief Karl Rove in February.

It followed Mr Howard’s call for Mr Blair to step down as PM.

What particularly upset the White House was Mr Howard’s comment: “If I were Prime Minister I would seriously be considering my position.”

They were also angered when the Tory leader accused the PM of “serious dereliction of duty”.

Mr Rove, who speaks with the President’s full authority, said: “You can forget about meeting the President full stop. Don’t bother coming, you are not meeting him.”
The conversation was relayed to Mr Howard who was unmoved.

Far from backing down, a defiant Mr Howard stepped up his attack over the so-called “dodgy dossier” and the 45-minute warning of attack by Iraqi WMD.

Referring to Tory support for the Commons vote which led to war, he said: “If I knew then what I know now, I could not have voted for the resolution.”

His comment to the Sunday Times was widely seen as an unforced error.

But it now emerges that Mr Howard was accurately reflecting his criticism not just of Mr Blair but of Mr Bush as well.

His stand shook top Tories, including party chairman Liam Fox who is flying to New York in a bid to patch up the rift at the Republican convention.

Anger ... President Bush

And it has deeply damaged the decades-long alliance between the Republicans and the Conservative Party.

Senior US Right-wingers blame Mr Howard for undermining the coalition in Iraq and say they are privately rooting for a Labour victory in the next election.

A Tory source said: “They see Tony Blair as a true ally against terror and the Tories as a bunch of w*****s.”

The stand-off is particularly surprising in view of Mr Howard’s long standing admiration for America.

He set up the Atlantic Partnership, a think-tank which welcomes regular visits from Republican figures.

Senior Tories are amazed that the White House fury has remained a secret for so long.

One said: “I am astonished it hasn’t come out before.”

But Mr Howard’s spokesman insisted he had not been barred from the Republican Convention.

He added: “He never intended to attend the convention.”

The revelations could not have come at a worse time for the Tories.

A new poll showed them still scoring only 34 per cent, the same as Labour, with little prospect of a breakthrough...

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

39 posted on 08/31/2004 5:02:34 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: maica; shaggy eel

<< BTW, Freepers picked up on "wankers" several years ago, but I cannot remember the context in which it came to fame here. >>

It happened when a self-styled "conservative" coterie of dole-bludging lay-about Limeys began posting here -- and all soon revealed themselves to be unrestrained wankers!

A couple, mainly to supercilliously demonstrate the gross inferiority of their dead and decadent euro-trash culture, total lack of ideas and/or -- in the case of at least one of them -- to troll for virtual 'romance,' still persist.

Wankers!


40 posted on 08/31/2004 5:31:07 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- AND A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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