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Economic Squeeze Plaguing Middle-Class Families (NY Slimes Outrights Deceives - AGAIN)
NY Times ^ | 8/28/04 | Timothy Egan

Posted on 08/29/2004 1:57:32 PM PDT by NYC Republican

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To: NYC Republican

You wrote:
"...Karl Rove bribe??? Are you kidding?"
Sorry, I forgot to arm my sarcasm torpedo.
I thought you'd get it.

You wrote:
"Jeez, another newbie, you're less than a week old, huh? Republican my a$$"

Yes, another newbie, admittedly.
See this posting to me from Polybius:

>To: grey_whiskers
>Let's say you are thinking about posting an article. Copy >and paste the title of the article into >FreeReuplic's "Search" function and then see if it has >already been posted.
>In this case:

>Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John >Lehman)........ Posted by Grampa Dave On News/Activism >08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT · 786 replies · 18,235+ views


and my response:

>Polybius:
>
>You wrote:
>
>"Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John >Lehman)........ Posted by Grampa Dave On News/Activism >08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT · 786 replies · 18,235+ views"
>^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Wow!!
>Thanks for not flaming me to well-done
>Marshmallow Toasties (TM) as I so richly
>deserve. Your tact is gratefully accepted.

>Let us always strive to be civil.

Please search elsewhere for my replies before deciding
I am not a Republican.

Cheers!


21 posted on 08/29/2004 2:31:16 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Sorry bud, I didn't catch the sarcasm... Another poster on this thread was being harshly critical, and I thought you were just piling on..


22 posted on 08/29/2004 2:33:54 PM PDT by NYC Republican (Liberals are absolutely evil and despicable. SKerry is their leader, how appropriate.)
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To: NYC Republican

23 posted on 08/29/2004 2:34:10 PM PDT by Nick Danger (www.swiftvets.com www.wintersoldier.com www.kerrylied.com)
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To: demlosers

She may be too conservative, and would be dismissed outright... I'd love to see someone like Fred Barnes do it.


24 posted on 08/29/2004 2:34:52 PM PDT by NYC Republican (Liberals are absolutely evil and despicable. SKerry is their leader, how appropriate.)
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To: jocon307

Yep...and imagine how all these po' folk must feel everytime they turn on MTV or VH1 and see the Lifestyles of the "Young," Rich and Famous. I don't know of any other country where talentless teenagers can become millionaires, practically overnight. With record breaking sports and entertainment contracts...somebody is buying this crap. The only time poverty exists is when a Republican is running for re-election.


25 posted on 08/29/2004 2:34:57 PM PDT by cwb (John Kerry: Still attacking Vietnam Vets after 35 years.)
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To: ninenot
What's deceptive is that Kerry does NOT have a "plan" for the most important component of this whole thing: the re-vivification of manufacturing.
More accurate, his plan is the same as Bush's: benign neglect--let it all go to PRChina.

Yeah, they are basicly flip sides of the same coin.
But Dubya has handed Kerry the campaign issue on a silver platter by denying that the problem exists, destroying his own credibility in the process.

26 posted on 08/29/2004 2:39:08 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: NYC Republican

27 posted on 08/29/2004 2:39:36 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: NYC Republican

That's OK. I have an asbestos suit :-)


28 posted on 08/29/2004 2:42:17 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Southack

Adjusted by fantastical cpi inflators. Hard to get a true read.


29 posted on 08/29/2004 2:46:36 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Willie Green

About two weeks ago, in Ohio, Bush admitted that there's a problem. Last I heard of it.

We've seen the Dem ads on the topic up here--one is particularly effective--black/white film of a dead plant.

Scary how good the ad was, and even scarier that somebody could be swayed by it...


30 posted on 08/29/2004 2:48:38 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Well, to be fair to Mr. Bush and his team, he has the better part of a plan going already. That is -- first we have to survive. Only then can we thrive.

That is -- the war on America haters (aka terrorists willing and able to kill) -- is the fundament of any recovery plan.

* * *

That's my high road answer. I also have a low road one.

31 posted on 08/29/2004 2:49:25 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Southack; Willie Green

What's really interesting about that graph is that 'median income' peaked BEFORE, and was actually in decline BEFORE the 'recession' shaded area.

Wonder howcumizzit THAT?

Got any ideas?


32 posted on 08/29/2004 2:52:30 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: bvw

After adjusting for inflation, median American household income is still up 30% from 1967.

It has declined for brief periods in the last 4 decades, always rebounding ever higher. The last median income peak was in 1999. It stabilized in 2002 and 2003, and is increasing in 2004.

By cherry-picking data, however, the NY Times can claim a shrinking middle-class. That's not the case, however. In absolute numbers, the middle class has continued to grow.

In percentages, the middle class has shrunk only because more have moved up to become rich as well as more immigrants who were already poor have moved in.

But in absolute numbers the middle class has continued to grow.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

33 posted on 08/29/2004 2:54:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: bvw

Yeah--he's had a large and legitimate distraction for a while.

But my Congresscritter is a little disgusted with the Admin's "see-no/hear-no/speak-no" on the manufacturing problem--and was particularly PO'd when that Bush econ guru popped out of his pointy-headed home and stated that 'manufacturing is for the birds' or some such.\

My congressguy is an ACU 99/5% rated guy--likely will win again, by a decent margin--but the Dimowits are taking shots at him with the economy problem. It will be interesting to see whether his usual winning margin shrinks.


34 posted on 08/29/2004 2:57:12 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Southack

"Median h/h income" is tricky, South, particularly if you use 1967 as a baseline.

Recall that two-income families were a VERY small part of households in '67/ comparo 2000.

And of course, 'median h/h/ medical expenses' are up about 9 gazillion percent since '67, too. (Or 1977: when our first daughter was born, the whole, entire, bill WITH dinner was $1,000. neat, MD and hospital 4-day stay. The last daughter was $8K, three days.--1993.)

Oh yeah--didn't FICA go up a bit since 1967?


35 posted on 08/29/2004 3:01:40 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Southack
There are many measures. Cars and kitchens and bathrooms and most clothing and electronics and fresh food are far, far, far better than fifty years back.

So materially we are way better. Still continuing.

That doesn't mean there are problems to be fixed. Debt levels -- personal debt levels are a problem. Morals -- a downdraft right up through midway Clinton. Then resistance to moral decay arose and we seem to be in a moral upswing. One hamper to that is the debt level. Heavy debt, when one loses the ability to pay it back leads to despair. Few social conditions harder to rememdy than despair.

Oh -- and the common recourse to lies of convience about financial matters continues -- but is turning down.

36 posted on 08/29/2004 3:02:21 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Southack

"Median h/h income" is tricky, South, particularly if you use 1967 as a baseline.

Recall that two-income families were a VERY small part of households in '67/ comparo 2000.

And of course, 'median h/h/ medical expenses' are up about 9 gazillion percent since '67, too. (Or 1977: when our first daughter was born, the whole, entire, bill WITH dinner was $1,000. neat, MD and hospital 4-day stay. The last daughter was $8K, three days.--1993.)

Oh yeah--didn't FICA go up a bit since 1967?


37 posted on 08/29/2004 3:03:17 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Southack

"Median h/h income" is tricky, South, particularly if you use 1967 as a baseline.

Recall that two-income families were a VERY small part of households in '67/ comparo 2000.

And of course, 'median h/h/ medical expenses' are up about 9 gazillion percent since '67, too. (Or 1977: when our first daughter was born, the whole, entire, bill WITH dinner was $1,000. neat, MD and hospital 4-day stay. The last daughter was $8K, three days.--1993.)

Oh yeah--didn't FICA go up a bit since 1967?


38 posted on 08/29/2004 3:03:22 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Southack; All

Thanks bud... Would love to see the % below and above middle class for '80 and '03 if anyone has it.


39 posted on 08/29/2004 3:03:23 PM PDT by NYC Republican (Liberals are absolutely evil and despicable. SKerry is their leader, how appropriate.)
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To: ninenot

Clicked on your ID, loved the site.

Here's another quote for you from Chesterton, and
a link:

Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

www.rightwingstuff.com

YOW! Wish I could afford
more of this stuff :-)


40 posted on 08/29/2004 3:07:31 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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