Posted on 08/28/2004 11:34:36 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
It was the equivalent of a coin toss landing on the edge instead of either side. Why is it so hard for DUMMYRATS to believe that coin leaned a little more in George W. Bush's favor in one close state?
That figure was also well within the margin of error (nationally). We would have had THOUSANDS of lawsuits as a county by county NATIONAL recount was conducted. We know that there was some democrat vote fraud (multiple residence voters - 2 states, college kids who went through the line several times, etc.).
0.52% (half a percent) doesn't impress me. The Goebbelsesque drum beat says that there was no mandate for President Bush. Albert Gore JUNIOR would not have been able to make such a claim either. Also, both candidates got more votes than Bill Clinton ever did and I didn't hear his leadership questioned by Big Media. The 2002 election also firmed up the nation's support for President Bush with Republican victories.
Point taken, but you know what I mean. :)
What you say!?
You mean they actually delineate that in our Constitution>
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"Screw the rest of the nation."
I imagine the folks in the U.P. of Michigan and New Petersburgh, Ohio are feeling pretty good about the Electoral College during this campaign season.
The Senate was formed for a reason. It came after the HofR existed. The Senate was formed so that each state had 2 Senators, or in other words, equal representation and a counterbalance to the House Of Representatives which is heavily slanted toward states with higher population density.
Because the leftists at the NYT don't like federalism. They want centralized government, relegating the states to little more than administrative units of the federal government. Nobody in America votes for the President. We all vote for electors representing our respective states, which is exactly as it should be.
In this day and age of container shipments, residents of Syracuse would be wise to be concerned about port security.
Unfortunately, Terrorists can reach and touch someone no matter where they feel safe. All the more reason to vote for someone who is series about defeating them.
BUSH AND ANYBODY IN 04
When did the senate pick the president?
Thought you might be interested in this thread.
The NYT should check into states rights. If New York wants to apportion its vote, it's free do so, as a couple of other states already do.
The really easy way to win the popular vote without winning the electoral vote is to win very high margins in a few states. Each state has two senators, and the electoral vote for each state is the number of senators plus congressmen. If a candidate wins big in the large states while losing small states or just wins big in one region, the extra votes allocated to for senators will add up rather quickly. That happened in 1888 when Grover Cleveland ran for reelection. His main issue was free trade which was very popular in the South but unpopular elsewhere. Cleveland racked up 60-80% of the popular vote throughout southern states. I might also add that the black vote was suppressed in those states. If it had not been, would Cleveland have won the plurality of the popular vote? In fact only in 1876 did a candidate winning a majority of the popular vote lose the electoral vote.
In 2000, Al Gore won just 20 states plus the District of Columbia. Bush won 30 states. That means Bush won nine more than Gore yielding 18 more senatorial electoral votes. That's the same number of electoral votes as Michigan in 2000. It was as if Bush had won an additional medium large state. In the 20th century only two winning presidential candidates won the presidency while not winning in the majority of states, Kennedy in 1960 and Carter in 1976.
Hey DEMs......... da rules is da rules!!!!
I kind of like the electoral college. Now especially since the NY Times says otherwise.
Madison would agree with you. Guarding against demagogues was one of the reasons the Electoral College was proposed at the Convention.
This shocks people in other nations who have been taught to look upon the United States as the world's oldest democracy.
This should shock the New York Times The USA is a republic not a democracy.
At the close of the Constitutional Convention, a woman asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government the Constitution was bringing into existence. Franklin replied, "A republic, if you can keep it."
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu...
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote!!!"Benjamin Franklin
Getting rid of the Electoral College would abolish the republic.
BTW, all of us need to keep a sharp eye out for stealth initiatives placed on state ballots in strongly Republican states ONLY to split the electors in proportion to the popular vote count. I heard outside liberals have already placed such a measure on the Colorado state ballot and their gunning for other Republican states. It's another scandal in the making. Nothing is beneath these people and they never give up. So we have to just keep fighting them as a part of our lifestyle. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilence."
You're right on the money. If the EC goes, the United States can become another Venezuela in just a few years. We need a Bush landslide to silence this talk (at least for a while.)
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