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Who's to blame for nation's Vietnam wounds? Kerry
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 8/29/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/28/2004 5:02:31 PM PDT by mylife

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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I hope and pray that this episode in the history of America is cleansing to the souls of many Americans.

The far reaching effects of Kerry's actions are astounding.

111 posted on 08/26/2004 7:50:29 PM CDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)


...at the very least "W" will win by a landslide, Kerry will slither off into oblivion not even getting reelected to one of the most liberal states in the country.

If he keeps pressing the lies of his past in the face of America there very may well be treason charges brought against him and then the real fun will begin. Kerry is a traitor and they are keeping a cell nice and cold for him in Levanworth.


41 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:44 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: mylife; shaggy eel

<< theres 'aught wrong with rugby, pints and free will >>

Yep.

[Why, when raising one for the 'Hong-Kong-Sevens,' just ask any one of the Once-FRee-British Hong Kong's seven and a half million Once-FRee-British Citizens]


42 posted on 08/28/2004 7:51:51 PM PDT by Brian Allen (President George W Bush by 10 percentage points and 44 EC States -- the other bozo 6 States and DC)
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To: mylife; Pokey78; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

<< In Aden, Fings Ain't Wot They Used T'Be -- but .... Hanoi Kerry's psychodrama-queen performance is a gift that keeps on giving. >>

Pretty much says it all.


43 posted on 08/28/2004 8:00:40 PM PDT by Brian Allen (President George W Bush by 10 percentage points and 44 EC States -- the other bozo 6 States and DC)
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To: mylife

Excellent article!


44 posted on 08/28/2004 8:04:14 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: mylife; glock rocks; NormsRevenge

Bump...


45 posted on 08/28/2004 8:09:13 PM PDT by tubebender (If I had known I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: mylife

46 posted on 08/28/2004 8:10:30 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Whadya mean you haven't bought my book yet?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 08/28/2004 8:22:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MistyCA; All

Misty CA

I've already pinged everyone to this thread.

BUT I'll post your FReep mail here.

"..Raven at Swiftvets gave his permission for us to use this quote..."

This thread is about the same Sun Times article that he was responding to


"Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:09 am Post subject:
The issue of Vietnam extends far beyond the losing of that conflict. It became one of the Twin Towers of the pseudo-morality the Left has predicated its very existence upon. And the Left's view was a lie and an immoral attempt to denigrate men who bled for this country and their commanders, not to mention the entire concept of fighting for freedom - a freedom upon which this country was founded. The Left sold this country, via the media and the wholesale confusion of the 1960s and 70s, the Big Lie. And everyone bought it and accepted that it was legitimate. There were no real outlets for disseminating the truth in those times and everyone was made to feel this incredible shame for the United States' involvement in trying to save another country from Communism. Where was the truth in all that was being said? It was well-hidden by the media and the purveyors of "enlightenment", and a country too shaken by the loss of so many of its sons and the turmoil of the changing political atmosphere left too many people too bewildered to search for the truth. Thus, the Left's Big Lie of Vietnam became an accepted "truth" and evidence of our own immorality as a country.

Kerry, Jane Fonda, and the entire establishment of anti-war activists did far more to this country than scream about the "horrors" of war. They brought down the sense of morality and righteousness of this country's belief in and willingness to shed blood and treasure for the freedom of people we don't even know.

The relevance even today of Kerry's actions in 1971 and thereafter is more than an election year issue. His actions tore apart this country and allowed people to wallow in a lie that has had deleterious consequences to our nation regarding views toward the military and the use of our Armed Forces."


48 posted on 08/28/2004 8:46:53 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: tsmith130
Some things never change. Seems everything they do is for domestic political POWER and NOT for national security.

Here is a win/win for the left. Since they ultimately do not want to see America endure as a sovereign nation, there is no downside to risking national security for temporal "domestic political POWER"

Hence thy can never be trusted with national security.

Three quarters of a century ago they could be entrusted with the national security but only so long as the foe was the right: Fascism. Half a century ago they demonstrated they could not be trusted when the foe came from the left: Communism.

Today the foe comes from the right and the left, for there are elements of both in militant Islam, but the left has so debauched itself that they would actually prefer to lose if winning is not done their way. Doing it Bush's way buttresses America as an independent nation state. A significant portion of the Democrat party and the American Left does not want America to endure as an independent nation but want it melded into some sort of utopian world government.

That is why the international outcry against the Bush doctrine and its implementation. That is why the Left can not be (en)trusted with our childrens' fate.

49 posted on 08/28/2004 8:46:57 PM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack... Bull Halsey)
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To: mylife

the band of the Royal Marines played not ''Land Of Home And Glory'' or ''Rule, Britannia'' but a Cockney novelty pop song, ''Fings Ain't Wot They Used T'Be,'' as a jaunty reflection on the vicissitudes of fate.

LIL: I used to lead a lovely life of sin, dough! I charged a ton
Now it's become an undercover game;
Who want to read a postcard in a window, "Massaging Done?"
Somehow the business doesn't seem the same

It's a very different scene
Well, you know what I mean...

There's toffs wiv toffee noses, and
Poofs in coffee 'ouses and
Fings ain't wot they used t'be.
There's short time low priced mysteries
Wivout proper histories
Fings ain't wot they used t'be.
There used to be class
Doing the town
Buying a bit o' vice.
And that's when a brass
Couldn't go down
Under the union price,
Not likely!

FRED: Once in golden days of yore
Ponces killed a lazy whore
Fings ain't wpt they used t'be.

Cops from universities
Dropsy wot a cuse it is,
Fings ain't wot they used t'be.
There used to be schools,
Fahsands of bounds
Passing across the baize.
There used tobe tools
Flashing around
Oh for the bad old days
Remember

LIL: How we used to pull for 'em
I've got news for Wolfenden
Fings ain't wot they used t'be.

FRED: Did their lot they used ter

LIL \
| Fings ain't wot they used t'be.
FRED /


50 posted on 08/28/2004 8:58:03 PM PDT by Valin (It Could Be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks, Tonk. I think this quote by Raven is well deserving of our attention.


51 posted on 08/28/2004 8:58:26 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA

Your Welcome!


52 posted on 08/28/2004 8:59:14 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: jolie560

An entire World religion has declared war on us and is dedicated to killing us.


You DO understand that there are NO cash prizes for making the stupid statement of the day.


53 posted on 08/28/2004 9:00:00 PM PDT by Valin (It Could Be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The issue of Vietnam extends far beyond the losing of that conflict. It became one of the Twin Towers of the pseudo-morality the Left has predicated its very existence upon.

Bingo! We have a winner.


54 posted on 08/28/2004 9:01:33 PM PDT by Valin (It Could Be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.)
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To: Valin
We all need to fight and protect the USA

We all need to vote and get everyone we know to vote.

The left will be in full force in NYC tomorrow.

Another one of Kerry's legacies.

A anti war protest.
55 posted on 08/28/2004 9:04:34 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: SandRat
Amen brother. God help the low life that mistreats a uniformed military person in my line of sight.

I'm not going to do what our parents generation did in that regard.

56 posted on 08/28/2004 9:06:08 PM PDT by tjg
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The left will be in full force in NYC tomorrow.


Oh I hope us. And I hope they are out in all their "glory".


57 posted on 08/28/2004 9:09:22 PM PDT by Valin (It Could Be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.)
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To: mylife
Hello, that is exactly what I am waiting for, big time.

Glad to be here, MOgirl
58 posted on 08/28/2004 9:11:14 PM PDT by MOgirl (In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
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To: mylife

You wrote:

". . .smearing his country's entire armed forces as rapists, decapitators and baby killers."

Geez, if that's what all US forces were doing in VietNam
(according to the DU crowd), why aren't they more grateful
that President Bush never made it over there?

From their worldview, his 'cowardice' in hiding in the
Air National Guard would be a point in his _favor_ !


59 posted on 08/28/2004 9:17:39 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: elbucko
Why not? The Democrats ran an anti-war candidate in 1964, LBJ. All the time Johnson was telling voters on the stump the he "Won't send our boys to South East Asia", he was planning the escalation to begin just after his inauguration in '65...yeah, they told me if I voted for Goldwater in '64 the war would escalate - I voted for Goldwater, and sure enough it did........
60 posted on 08/28/2004 9:18:40 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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