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To: MistyCA; All

Misty CA

I've already pinged everyone to this thread.

BUT I'll post your FReep mail here.

"..Raven at Swiftvets gave his permission for us to use this quote..."

This thread is about the same Sun Times article that he was responding to


"Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:09 am Post subject:
The issue of Vietnam extends far beyond the losing of that conflict. It became one of the Twin Towers of the pseudo-morality the Left has predicated its very existence upon. And the Left's view was a lie and an immoral attempt to denigrate men who bled for this country and their commanders, not to mention the entire concept of fighting for freedom - a freedom upon which this country was founded. The Left sold this country, via the media and the wholesale confusion of the 1960s and 70s, the Big Lie. And everyone bought it and accepted that it was legitimate. There were no real outlets for disseminating the truth in those times and everyone was made to feel this incredible shame for the United States' involvement in trying to save another country from Communism. Where was the truth in all that was being said? It was well-hidden by the media and the purveyors of "enlightenment", and a country too shaken by the loss of so many of its sons and the turmoil of the changing political atmosphere left too many people too bewildered to search for the truth. Thus, the Left's Big Lie of Vietnam became an accepted "truth" and evidence of our own immorality as a country.

Kerry, Jane Fonda, and the entire establishment of anti-war activists did far more to this country than scream about the "horrors" of war. They brought down the sense of morality and righteousness of this country's belief in and willingness to shed blood and treasure for the freedom of people we don't even know.

The relevance even today of Kerry's actions in 1971 and thereafter is more than an election year issue. His actions tore apart this country and allowed people to wallow in a lie that has had deleterious consequences to our nation regarding views toward the military and the use of our Armed Forces."


48 posted on 08/28/2004 8:46:53 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks, Tonk. I think this quote by Raven is well deserving of our attention.


51 posted on 08/28/2004 8:58:26 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The issue of Vietnam extends far beyond the losing of that conflict. It became one of the Twin Towers of the pseudo-morality the Left has predicated its very existence upon.

Bingo! We have a winner.


54 posted on 08/28/2004 9:01:33 PM PDT by Valin (It Could Be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

A generous person could make some excuses or qualifiers for Fonda. A spoiled rich kid, completely immersed in the fantasy world of Hollywood culture her whole life. Rich and famous in her own right, her background and upbringing makes rational though impossible for her.

Kerry however was a DECORATED NAVAL OFFICER. He knew better. HE WAS THERE. There is no possible qualification or excuse for what he did.

Kerry and Fonda are not in the same league at all.


62 posted on 08/28/2004 9:25:29 PM PDT by tjg
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