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1 posted on 08/27/2004 3:47:00 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Good article. Thanks.


2 posted on 08/27/2004 3:55:29 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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Great composite of the information...


3 posted on 08/27/2004 3:56:12 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1185997/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1199998/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/790709/posts?page=83#83

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064541/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ea05224b3e.htm


4 posted on 08/27/2004 3:56:14 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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Bump


7 posted on 08/27/2004 4:09:47 AM PDT by mtbrandon49
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Great article, but no one in the world will pay attention to it unless they are already in the choir.

Those in the audience will never hear it.


8 posted on 08/27/2004 4:10:48 AM PDT by netmilsmom ("I don't have time in my life to read potato chips" - Netmilsdad)
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Great article..... at the very least, it places the two candidates on an even par, heroically speaking. We need to be careful about overstating the President's willingness to go into combat -- although it was clear he was at least prepared to do so.


10 posted on 08/27/2004 4:16:34 AM PDT by jojodamofo
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This is what Bush flew. Every time he went to work he put his life on the line.

I flew T-38's, as did Bush. His Instructor wrote of Bush: "He is the most gifted pilot I ever saw."

Now we have Kerry---whose own Gunner's Mate is saying he lied. The Gunner on a Swift Boat is in his gun tub---14 feet above the boat. He was witness to EVERYTHING (Lanny Davis-----------are you listening??)

11 posted on 08/27/2004 4:20:05 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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Bumped and bookmarked.


12 posted on 08/27/2004 4:24:08 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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Proof ping. (and for later reading)


13 posted on 08/27/2004 4:25:01 AM PDT by Egon (Kerry in 1970: Don't suppose he voted FOR assasinating our leaders, before voting against it...)
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14 posted on 08/27/2004 4:28:45 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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Placemark....

Thanks.


15 posted on 08/27/2004 4:31:06 AM PDT by Chasaway
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18 posted on 08/27/2004 4:37:11 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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Excellent article. What are the chances M. Moore will ever read a copy of it? Or, for that matter, ANY of Bush's detractors? Oh, never mind.


19 posted on 08/27/2004 4:38:31 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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Bumped and bookmarked; thanks!


22 posted on 08/27/2004 4:51:25 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (4 mos in VN + 527 $ out the wazoo + 1 bn from Mama T + 3 self-inflicted PH = Kerry is still a JOKE!)
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That one's a keeper.


23 posted on 08/27/2004 4:53:19 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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24 posted on 08/27/2004 5:07:42 AM PDT by federal
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Forgive if this has been observed before: Would GHW Bush's position at the CIA have prohibited GW's deployment overseas at any time?
Wouldn't the young, daring, risk-taking W have more than likely wanted to be a Top Gun and go into combat? It seems that the press and his other critics want to paint him as a rascal/daredevil back then, but can't envision him being one as a pilot.

25 posted on 08/27/2004 5:11:23 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (LET THE SWIFTEES SPEAK! STOP THE CENSORSHIP, JOHN KERRY! www.swiftvets.com)
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ANOTHER EXCELANT FIND - POSTED ON FREEREPUBLIC EARLIER THIS WEEK

Bush and I in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron from 1970 to 1971. (my title)
COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired) open public letter to Washington Times | 8/24/2004 | A Navy Vet

Letters to the Editor

'Bush and I were lieutenants'
George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.

It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.

The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.

The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.

Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.

The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.

Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.

Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.

Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.

As a commander, I would put such "visitors" in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can't even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to "pull drills" for a couple of months, I wouldn't be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.

Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:

First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly — the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.

If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.

Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.

Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt. Bush's, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.

While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen — then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.

In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.

COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Herndon, Va.5


28 posted on 08/27/2004 5:22:10 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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Even if the truth is in their face, people will still prefer to believe a lie.


30 posted on 08/27/2004 5:36:12 AM PDT by youngtory ("The tired, old, corrupt Liberal party is cornered like an angry rat"-Stephen Harper)
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Kerry joined the Navy Reserve and did not expect to go to Vietnam. When Kerry did go to Vietnam the swift boats were not during river patrols. They were doing coastal patrols and were not in much danger.

I can't remember where I read it, but I was under the impression that Kerry volunteered for Vietnam duty with the specific intent of cruising around on coastal patrols and thereby getting just close enough to the action to credibly claim that he served in a combat zone. When he found out the swift boat duties had changed to a more dangerous river running role he was livid. At that point he probably figure the Navy owed him some medals and an early trip home, and he knew that he could intimidate commanding officers with his family money and political connections.

31 posted on 08/27/2004 5:52:44 AM PDT by ravinson
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