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There is a current poll at http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/ which asks:

Do you believe illegal aliens should be able to collect social security benefits?

Since the democrats or republicans are NOT listening to the vast majority of U.S. Citizens, this may be the only place to voice your opinion. Hopefully you will also tell your legislators.

As Rep. Rohrabacher stated tonight, " The democrats want the votes and the republicans want the cheap labor".

1 posted on 08/26/2004 4:52:41 PM PDT by AuntB
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2 posted on 08/26/2004 4:55:17 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings and when you're done come complain to me." MY Grandma!!)
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To: AuntB

Paul Revere and Nathan Hale, where are you when we really, really need you?


3 posted on 08/26/2004 4:56:04 PM PDT by zerosix
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Rep. Dana Rohrbacher spoke today about his bill to stop various republicans, democrats and special interest groups from bestowing Social Security benefits to illegal aliens on CNN's Lou Dobb's program.

Rep. Rohrbacker sounds like one of the few sane people left in Washington.

4 posted on 08/26/2004 5:02:50 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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Then where's the hue and cry about social security going broke and doesn't need to be dishing out bennies to ILLEGALS who should be DEPORTED instead. Dang socialists!


5 posted on 08/26/2004 5:05:19 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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7 posted on 08/26/2004 5:06:01 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings and when you're done come complain to me." MY Grandma!!)
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The cost of Illegal Aliens was reported today to be Conservatively estimated @ 10 Billion +. If any of the Amnesty programs are viewed favorably by the Government the costs will tripple this amount. Social Security and the infrastructure it supports must be maintained paying into this system.


8 posted on 08/26/2004 5:08:08 PM PDT by winker
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The federal government is thinking about giving away Social Security benefits to illegal aliens.

How sad. And this is happening in a Republican control Fed Gov. Where do we go next?

9 posted on 08/26/2004 5:09:37 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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We knew this was coming, didn't we?


10 posted on 08/26/2004 5:10:59 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Free Tibet...from Communist China!)
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Great post. I want a roll call vote on this one!


11 posted on 08/26/2004 5:11:49 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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The Dems are traitors and the GOP is too, it would seem. Maybe it is time for an American Nationalist Party.


13 posted on 08/26/2004 5:12:13 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Free Tibet...from Communist China!)
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What a news day...Benefits for illegal aliens while Bush floats the idea of hookin' up with "MCcainiac" to silence the swift boats via the courts or legislation.


14 posted on 08/26/2004 5:12:19 PM PDT by lawdog
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The whole operation seems to be run by dimwits...both parties.


15 posted on 08/26/2004 5:13:16 PM PDT by pointsal
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96% no.....when I voted.
If I have relatives in New York and Florida, can I vote twice?


17 posted on 08/26/2004 5:19:42 PM PDT by pointsal
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Become a LEGAL US citizen : enjoy all the rights and privileges thereof. Come to this country illegally and make no attempt to legally assimilate : immediate deportation.

Someone please tell me where I can find anywhere in the US Constitution where rights are granted to non-US citizens. All of these 'rights' for ILLEGALS just kills me. Immigrants are fine, we are a country of immigrants, but giving away the rights of our citizenship just cheapens the idea citizenship all together.

18 posted on 08/26/2004 5:20:20 PM PDT by canalabamian (Common sense, unfortunately, is not very common)
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America for AMERICANS!!!!!


19 posted on 08/26/2004 5:22:25 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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I fully agree with and count myself among those who object in the strongest possible terms to criminals (and make no mistake about it, that is exactly what illegal aliens are) gaining access to US taxpayer funded programs intended to benefit taxpaying citizens. Schools, welfare, and social security are all high on the list of item off-limits to illegals.

But I wonder if the totalization agreement might be misrepresented or misunderstood.

Let me tell you my experience. In 1995 I went to Korea on an assignment for my long-term US employer. During the first few years I was in Korea, my employer deducted and paid my SS-OA and SS-HI, AND enrolled me in the Korean pension system as well, as was required by law.

In 1999 or 2000 a totalization agreement went into effect between the US and Korea. The effect of this was that my US employer no longer had to deduct and pay into the Korean National Pension plan on my behalf, ending the double taxation.

Similarly, Korean employees of Hyundai or Samsung working in the US no longer needed to contribute to the US Social Security system. Instead, their employers simply keep up their contributions to their home country retirement system.

Of course, those individuals are not entitled to get benefits fromt he US Social Security System any more.

So, I wonder what is different about the Mexico case. It seems to me that under a totalization agreement, LEGAL Mexicans working in the US for Mexican companies would contribute to the Mexican system, whatever that is, and NOT the US Social Security system. Of course, if they are working for AMERICAN companies, then obviously they would be covered just as an American would be, and under all the same rules.

ILLEGAL aliens, i.e. criminal violators of our borders shold be elegible for nothing whatsoever.

I can't quite fathom where the huge additional monetary obligation comes from. Of course, if a MExican or any other national were to leave the US before qualifying for benefits, they shouldn't get any. After all Americans who fail to qualify under the rules don't get anything. Why should foreigners?


21 posted on 08/26/2004 5:28:36 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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23 posted on 08/26/2004 5:30:29 PM PDT by gubamyster
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Rep. Dana Rohrbacher spoke today about his bill to stop various republicans, democrats and special interest groups from bestowing Social Security benefits to illegal aliens on CNN's Lou Dobb's program.

What more can be said, things are getting worse by the day.

28 posted on 08/26/2004 5:34:04 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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Americans need to get involved. Unless they vote these idiots out of office, this will continue.


30 posted on 08/26/2004 5:36:52 PM PDT by TheLion
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"Seniors should ask why anyone would want to give those dollars to illegal aliens, draining funds available for Social Security and Medicare benefits, and reward those who break the law."

Not just seniors but those of us currently paying into this crap shoot who already don't anticipate seeing a thing. Providing to illegals will be adding insult to injury as it were. So much for those who said well we need more Mexicans to keep SS solvent (wrong headed position to begin with).


32 posted on 08/26/2004 5:38:03 PM PDT by PersonalLiberties (An honest politician is one who, when he's bought, stays bought. -Simon Cameron, political boss)
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