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Local veterans have mixed views on the validity of recent political attacks......
Hometown Publications ^ | August 26, 2004

Posted on 08/26/2004 12:06:30 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Local veterans have mixed views on the validity of recent political attacks on Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's military record in Vietnam.

John Mezes, who served in the Air Force from 1956 to 1960, was suspicious of how Kerry could have won three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star in a four-month period.

"How did he win so many medals in so short a time?" asked Mezes, who owns a Bridgeport business that refurbishes trucks. "Isn't it suspicious it happened in only four months?"

In contrast, Marine veteran Kingsley McAlpine of Bridgeport doesn't question Kerry's heroics in Vietnam.

"You have to be wounded and treated to get the Purple Hearts," McAlpine said. "And a Bronze Star and Silver Star don't just happen, they have to be documented. I don't think it's fictitious."

McAlpine, a Warnoco retiree, was in the military in the 1960s but was not sent to Vietnam. Mezes and McAlpine were interviewed while drinking beer Monday at Port Five, an organization for Naval veterans with a clubhouse on the Black Rock waterfront.

Purple Hearts are given for injuries during combat, while Bronze and Silver Stars are awarded for bravery.

Kerry's military service was heralded at the Democratic National Convention last month, but now has come under criticism from a group of fellow Vietnam veterans. The anti-Kerry veterans are airing negative television advertisements, and the controversy is generating national headlines.

Kerry volunteered for the Navy and spent four months commanding a swift boat during the war. He then returned to the United States and became an outspoken critic of the war. Many men who served with Kerry have praised his military service.

Short tour is scrutinized

Thomas L. Kanasky, Greater Bridgeport Veterans Council president, said the brief time Kerry spent in Vietnam was unusual for the late 1960s. Members of the military were given the option of returning home if they were injured three times.

"I find it hard to believe there's not a problem here," said Kanasky, a Bridgeport resident and attorney who was in the Marines. He provided security at an airbase in Vietnam as the war winded down in the early 1970s.

"John Kerry spent four months in Vietnam and claims to be a hero, but what about the other guys who served their full tour of 13 months?" Kanasky said. "He took the first ticket he could out of there. The real heroes are the guys who stayed."

Edward Mastrone, veterans service officer for the city Office of Veterans Affairs, sides with Kerry.

"I don't care what these people are saying because they are being influenced by politics," Mastrone said of the group of veterans criticizing Kerry. "Reading between the lines, you can see they are funded somewhat by the Bush campaign."

Mastrone said Kerry's military service outshines that of President George W. Bush, who was in the Air National Guard and never was sent to Vietnam. Questions have been raised about whether Bush fulfilled his guard obligations, and if his family used its connections to win him a coveted spot in the guard.

"[Kerry] carried the rifle, and I don't think the other guy did," said Mastrone, comparing Kerry to Bush.

Mastrone, who was in the Army Air Corps at the end of World War II and guarded Japanese prisoners of war in the Philippines, said the campaigns should focus on more important issues, such as the high cost of health care.

Art Falco of Bridgeport, a U.S. Census Bureau worker who served three tours in Vietnam with both the Marines and Army, said Kerry and his supporters as well as his detractors probably both think they are telling the truth.

"Things get foggy in war," said Falco, explaining that he and his former military comrades often recall things differently. "I'd go by what was written down at the time, because it's hard to remember 30 years later," he said.

However, Falco said he could never forgive Kerry for his testimony in front of the U.S. Senate in 1971. After leaving the military, Kerry testified about alleged atrocities being committed by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam.

"I know the protestors were trying to help us, but they were getting us killed," Falco said. "They were giving the North Vietnamese and Viet Kong reasons to fight and were hurting our morale."

Does service really matter?

Robert Loftus, who was in the Army from 1953 to 1956 and served in Korea, said he hasn't seen any definitive proof that Kerry didn't deserve his medals.

"I accept the awards he has gotten until they are proven improper," Loftus said while at Port Five.

He said he considers the controversy to be irrelevant because a president's military background doesn't determine whether he will be a good president. "We've had great presidents who didn't serve," said Loftus, a retired electrical engineer who has taught at Bullard Havens and other schools.

Don Bucci of Bridgeport, who has worked for UPS for 28 years, said voters should punish any politician who misrepresents his military record to gain votes. He said it's uncertain if Kerry deserved his medals.

Bucci, who didn't serve in the military but goes to Port Five, said Bush's supporters should stop questioning Kerry's service because it may lead to more scrutiny of Bush's questionable National Guard duty. "[Bush] should tell those people to leave it alone," he said.

Ron Metzger, who is self employed, thinks Kerry may be overstating his military accomplishments. "He did something, but not what they are building it up to," said Metzger, who patronizes Port Five but wasn't in the military. "They are basing his entire campaign on it."

Metzger's wife, Marilyn, thinks the criticism of Kerry is unfair. "He did serve," she said, adding she supports Bush's decision to invade Iraq and is being turned off by the negative tone of both candidates' campaigns.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 537ads; campaign; election; johnkerry; medals; miltaryservice; politics; sbvt; swiftboat; veterans; vietnam
I highly recommend this. It's long but it explains so much.

Kerry's Lost Opportunity - He could have healed the wounds of Vietnam. Instead, he tried to exploit them

Then read this:

The Facts about Bush and the National Guard - The Democratic charges fall apart.

1 posted on 08/26/2004 12:06:34 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Reading between the lines, you can see they are funded somewhat by the Bush campaign."

That one was pretty drunk.

"He took the first ticket he could out of there. The real heroes are the guys who stayed."

Fine patriot. This one can form a sentence. He must have just arrived at the bar.

"[Kerry] carried the rifle, and I don't think the other guy did," said Mastrone, comparing Kerry to Bush.

Kerry carried a rifle. Bush carried a fighter jet. Bigger gun, a better gun, a more expensive gun.

2 posted on 08/26/2004 12:19:31 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"You have to be wounded and treated to get the Purple Hearts," McAlpine said. "And a Bronze Star and Silver Star don't just happen, they have to be documented. I don't think it's fictitious."

This guy obviously is under the illusion that all people are honorable. Kerry never let honor stand in his way. Plus a Marine would have never applied for a Purple Heart with Kerry's wounds.
3 posted on 08/26/2004 12:20:09 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I'm Conspiracy Guy and I approve this message. "John Kerry is a liar!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Local veterans have mixed views on the validity of recent political attacks......

Those who live off social programs support Kerry.
Those who support themselves are for Bush.

That's how it always works. There's no other reason to vote democrat.

4 posted on 08/26/2004 12:22:16 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why the long article about a week after the most recent 1971 testimony, yet only focus on the medals/ribbons argument? Go back and ask these same veterans if they think the Swift Boat Vets made up John Fonda Kerry's testimony before the Senate.
5 posted on 08/26/2004 12:34:00 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: concerned about politics

Any schlub can squeeze a trigger. A monkey can do it.

But fly a jet fighter? That takes skill.

And that has been completely lost in this election.


6 posted on 08/26/2004 12:39:55 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Any schlub can squeeze a trigger. A monkey can do it. But fly a jet fighter? That takes skill.

My kids are trained with a 22.

7 posted on 08/26/2004 1:08:13 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense

arabnews press release 25 August 2004


NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.




NEW:
FReeper smith288 has an online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it without downloading pdf files!
CLICK HERE


From Kerry's "The New Soldier":
Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66

Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.
John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

The New Soldier, (46 pages)
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War

PART I (pdf file)
PART II (pdf file)
PART III (pdf file)

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE




Send this url for the online version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/


Print this out (46 pages) and disribute it,
especially to the liberals you know.

Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf



8 posted on 08/26/2004 1:15:06 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


9 posted on 08/26/2004 1:15:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bump TO SUPPORT THE NEW SWIFT VETS AD AND GEORGE BUSH... http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg


10 posted on 08/26/2004 1:25:29 PM PDT by freddiedavis
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