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John Kerry Reserve Navy Duty
Self | August 26, 2004 | yougotit

Posted on 08/26/2004 7:40:35 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT

I have heard, on radio do not remember where,(can anyone supply additional data) that when John Kerry requested an early release from the Active United States Navy, that request was granted with the requirement that Kerry serve 2 years on active reserve duty. He was required to attend monthly reserve meetings and to serve for 2 weeks active duty each year. I can find no record of John Kerry every going to any reserve meeting or serving his two-week active duty time in the two years after he was granted his early release from the U.S. Navy. WAS JOHN KERRY AWOL? If this is true (and that is what normally happens when one is granted a early release from active duty) looks like he was.


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KEYWORDS: kerry; militaryrecord; navyresearveduty
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1 posted on 08/26/2004 7:40:36 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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As far as I know, Kerry never met his obligation. I don't think Kerry was actually discharged until 2001. This is why Kerry won't sign the SF-180, he is hiding something. The media knows Kerry is hiding something, but no one in the media wants to find it. If it was George W. Bush, they would be screaming at the top of their lungs.


2 posted on 08/26/2004 7:44:35 AM PDT by Always Right
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...to serve for 2 weeks active duty each year.

I could just imaging the first time he went to sleep in his tent after his Zhengis Khan episode before Congress.......

Talk about getting the crap beat out of you.......

3 posted on 08/26/2004 7:51:06 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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This is some of what has been found about his reserve duty, including actual record and a press release.

John Kerry’s More Than 30 Years of Service - 1966, John Kerry Enlisted in the U.S. Navy; November 1968 through March 1969, Served in Vietnam; 1970-1978, Served in U.S. Navy Reserves; 1976-1979, Middlesex County District Attorney’s Office; 1983-1985, Lt. Governor of Massachusetts; 1985-2004 U.S. Senator from Massachusetts. Link Below;
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0712a.html
Actual Record below, from John Kerry's Website;
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Service_Record.pdf


4 posted on 08/26/2004 7:51:06 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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??
"Active" meant active duty.
At least in Cal, Army had way more ex-officers than slots for them in reserve units.
Lots of the reservists in those slots had been at home throughout the war and were entrenched. Returnees were often turned away or set into points only positions (kind of second class status).
I expect most of us just waited for the discharge papers when the time was up.
Summary: it's a non starter but Kerry MIGHT have been recalled and stepped on for his treason.
Xin Loi.


5 posted on 08/26/2004 7:51:43 AM PDT by norton
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To: Always Right
I don't think Kerry was actually discharged until 2001.

Actually, someone posted earlier (I believe last week) that Kerry was not discharged until late '70s or early '80s. Memory is not serving me now. Either way, well after his anti-war activities.

6 posted on 08/26/2004 7:52:16 AM PDT by technomage
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Yeah, it seems Kerry was discharged from Reserve 2/1/78.


7 posted on 08/26/2004 7:57:14 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: tobyhill
Thanks. John Kerry should have been in the active reserve from 1970 to 1972. I cannot find any records that say he attended any reserve meetings, or attended the required 2 weeks of active duty training each year. He was in the inactive reserve from 1972 to 1976 when he received his discharge.
8 posted on 08/26/2004 8:00:25 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Always Right

if that is the case, it seems he would truly fit the catagory of being a traitor (STILL in UNIFORM) under UCMJ.


9 posted on 08/26/2004 8:01:41 AM PDT by wvromania (CHALLENGE KERRY TO GO TO IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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John Kerry met with the enemy in Paris--twice--while still in the Navy reserves. He was "negotiating" with them independently.

U.S. Code, TITLE 10, Sec. 904.

Art. 104. Aiding the enemy

Any person who -

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to, or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;

shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct

10 posted on 08/26/2004 8:17:08 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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You are correct. It also would mean that he violated the law by protesting against the government while still in the military. The military is not a democracy it is a bureaucracy. There is no rights of assembly and freedom of speech while in the military regardless whether it's active or reserve. There is the oath that requires military service persons to support the government no matter what.
11 posted on 08/26/2004 8:19:52 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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how do you know that he wasn't discharged until 2001? That enough if documentary evidence enough to do a documentory.


12 posted on 08/26/2004 8:21:58 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (The plural for RAT is RATS, not RATICS)
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The actual discharge date I have seen says 2/1/78. I think 2001 is when Kerry was trying to make some modifications to his record.


13 posted on 08/26/2004 8:23:52 AM PDT by Always Right
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I was, what was then called, a 2 x 6er in the Navy Reserve. I enlisted for a six year period. The first two years would be active, full time, duty. The next three would be active reserve, i.e., weekend drills, two week annual activation. The final year was inactive reserve status, still in the Navy, but not required to drill or otherwise appear for duty. I was not discharged until AFTER the final year of inactive status.

It appears that Kerry was also a 2 x 6er, based on what I have seen. I cannot reconcile his record. He went to Officer school, then to the Gridley for a year, then to Vietnam (Swift Boats) for 4 months. He apparently requested, and was granted, an early release, but according to his resume, he continued to be in the Reserves until 1978. If he continued in the Reserves, he would have had to attend drills and complete his two week activation each year, for at least part of the time. It does not add up. What is clear to me is that Kerry was on inactive status during 1971, therefore still a member of the U.S. Navy, while throwing away his medals and testifying before the Senate.

Just to clear the record. The two years active duty did not include Boot Camp (and in some cases training schools), so actual time on active duty could exceed two years.

There appears to be some blanks in his record. That is why he won't sign the 180.


14 posted on 08/26/2004 8:26:00 AM PDT by Rocket1968 (Democrats will crash and burn in 2004.)
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This is a bogus issue. Kerry was discharged on Jan 3, 1970. His discharge orders state that he will be in the inactive Naval Reserves. He had no drill requirement, just to keep the Navy aware of his whereabouts. He was subject to recall until July 1, 1972 when he was transferred into the Standby Reserves.

The real issue about Kerry's reserve status has to do with his meeting with the Vietnamese communists in Paris while still in the Naval Reserves and subject to recall.

15 posted on 08/26/2004 8:29:48 AM PDT by kabar
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He actually went to his reserve unit for a short while, I believe 3 months, then requested inactive status. He was an admin. for an Admiral. The request to go inactive was for him to run for congress. The request was granted long after he didn't show up and during the time he was protesting. Apparently he was good friends with this Admiral.
16 posted on 08/26/2004 8:31:30 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: technomage
Actually, someone posted earlier (I believe last week) that Kerry was not discharged until late '70s or early '80s. Memory is not serving me now. Either way, well after his anti-war activities.

Per Navy records, Kerry was honorably discharged from the USN as a LT on 16 Feb 1978. What I found interesting is that Kerry's website used to list his military service as 1966-1970 (active) and 1972-78 as Reserves. He conveniently leaves out the time when he was really active with the VVAW.

17 posted on 08/26/2004 8:33:55 AM PDT by kabar
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Kerry got out of the war early, and was given to an Admiral as an aide. The admiral released him early, but he was not discharged until 1978.

Could Kerry have been such a screw up that the admiral got fed up too?

DK


18 posted on 08/26/2004 8:34:19 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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He actually went to his reserve unit for a short while, I believe 3 months, then requested inactive status.

Not according to his release from active duty letter dated Jan 2, 1970. He went right into the inactive reserves.

19 posted on 08/26/2004 8:37:14 AM PDT by kabar
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Could Kerry have been such a screw up that the admiral got fed up too?

No, Kerry requested to leave early to run for Congress and the Admiral and the Navy approved it.

20 posted on 08/26/2004 8:39:05 AM PDT by kabar
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