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(IL)Governor wants to overhaul toll system, change rates
Chicago Tribune ^ | August 25, 2004 | Mike Colias

Posted on 08/25/2004 1:29:31 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever

Governor wants to overhaul toll system, change rates

Gov. Rod Blagojevich proposed a major overhaul of the state's tollway system Wednesday that would eliminate congested toll plazas and rebuild 274 miles of roads but also raise rates for truckers and drivers not using an electronic I-PASS.

Blagojevich said the 10-year, $5.3 billion plan would reduce traffic jams for the tollway's 1.3 million daily users, saving commuters time and money.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: blago; hiwayrobbery; hoodwink; tolls; transportation
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Chicago Freepers -- I'll spare you the need to register for the Trib. The story basically says that all drivers will be required to get an I-Pass unit, or you will have to go to an off-site tollbooth and pay 80-cents. Blago trotted out the old "boy will this overhaul save travel time!" pitch, which is what we heard about the crock untangling of the Hillside Strangler bottleneck (which only served to move it up to Manheim Road...)

GRRRRR....

1 posted on 08/25/2004 1:29:32 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

500 mil a year to do this?

How much does the state subsidize this I-PASS system?

I paid $50 for my IPASS unit. I pay 40-50c every time I go through a terminal. How the heck does this cost come to 500 million a year?

Drop the 274 miles of roads. Just make more lanes with IPASS. Let private vendors sell the units so they can compete thus lowering the costs of the units. Allow enterprises to add features to them like tracking your tolls, miles, etc.


2 posted on 08/25/2004 1:33:42 PM PDT by axiom9
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To: Rutles4Ever

...And then add a 1$ surcharge per month because the I-Pass (Sounds like EZ Pass) computers and administration systems don't work right.

The solution should not be to make it easier to pay the toll the solution should be to stop having to pay the tolls.


3 posted on 08/25/2004 1:34:55 PM PDT by frog_jerk_2004
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To: Rutles4Ever

They've been saying that the tollways would eventually be eliminated for 50 years.

I've had an IPASS for at least 10 years, geez, I don't think I paid $50 for it.


4 posted on 08/25/2004 1:37:13 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Tearing down the Deerfield Toll Plaza was a huge step in the correct direction! The Tollway Authority is corrupt (but so what is new in the Chicago area politics?!).


5 posted on 08/25/2004 1:37:45 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Well, I've got an I-Pass and I love it. I get through the tollbooths a lot faster since I got it; it probably cuts about 5 to 10 minutes off of my otherwise 30-minute commute every day. And collecting tolls via that have got to be a lot cheaper than by paying a toll booth collector, so I figure I should pay less toll than someone who requires a manual toll collection. Lots of tollways across the country have their toll booths out of the main traffic flow, so I don't have a problem with that either.

Although building them, and tearing out the old ones, will cost God knows how much, plus the usual, or, I don't know, 30% to 50% Illinois Corruption Assessment.

And as far as the Hillside Strangler goes; yes, you're right. For those people travelling on I-290, all they did was shift the traffic jam closer to Chicago. However, for those of us who commute on I-294, what that did was to pull part of the traffic jam off of I-294, speeding up traffic on it. Since I rarely travel I-290, I can't answer for what it did to that traffic. But if it didn't increase total travel time on I-290, then it seems to me that it was an overall benefit.

6 posted on 08/25/2004 1:38:10 PM PDT by RonF
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To: axiom9

I absolutely refuse to get the Big Brother I-Pass.


7 posted on 08/25/2004 1:38:45 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Rutles4Ever

A royal pain in the butt for out-of-staters who won't buy an I-Pass (and shouldn't have to).


8 posted on 08/25/2004 1:39:22 PM PDT by AmishDude (I am AmishDude and I approved this message before I disapproved it.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Has Willie Green weighed-in on the loss of these toll-collector jobs?


9 posted on 08/25/2004 1:39:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace; frog_jerk_2004; RWR8189

Fair enough to call for the elimination of the tolls altogether, and putting these roads into the rest of the Highway system. But it's my subjective belief that the toll roads are better maintained, summer and winter, than the freeways. We're not getting our money's full worth, but we are getting something for our money.


10 posted on 08/25/2004 1:41:39 PM PDT by RonF
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To: axiom9
500 mil a year to do this?

rebuild 274 miles of roads

Rebuilding 274 miles, while keeping traffic more or less moving, and paying union wage scales? Does't sound way out of line to me. Of course, there will probably be ample "cost overruns" to cover necessary graft and corruption.

11 posted on 08/25/2004 1:42:58 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: axiom9

Believe it or not, most toll collection system cost between $60-200K per lane. Much of this cost is for sensors, computers & installation, but there is also a pretty good chunk for software and administration.

Even at that cost, $500M sounds high (I doubt we are talking about 2000 lanes).

The $50 you paid for the Mark IV transponder barely covers the cost of the device though.


12 posted on 08/25/2004 1:43:41 PM PDT by Deek
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To: RonF
RonF,

The tolls were not supposed to last forever. They were supposed to end some time ago. The solution is not to be happy that they are better maintained, but rather to demand that the gasoline taxes actually go towards road maintenance.

13 posted on 08/25/2004 1:47:06 PM PDT by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig, IL resident, Keyes supporter. FREE SABERTOOTH!)
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To: RonF
I happen to believe that toll roads play a vital role in the nation's highway system -- provided they are operated correctly. As you mentioned, they tend to be much better maintained than "free" roads.

Toll roads are ideal for long stretches of rural highways where the volume of traffic is too low to justify spending substantial amounts of general tax revenue on roadway maintenance. The real problem with toll roads is that they never work properly in densely-populated metropolitan areas, because the toll collection process is a major impediment in the operation of the roadway system.

14 posted on 08/25/2004 1:48:10 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: RonF
There actually is a neat trick that shaves about 5-10 minutes off the jam-up that starts just after Wolf Rd:

If you're coming from southbound I-294, or traveling on southbound I-290, take the Manheim exit feeder, which runs parallel to I-290, then spits you back out at the Manheim bridge. You'll bypass a chunk of the bottleneck...
15 posted on 08/25/2004 1:48:26 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Deek
The $50 you paid for the Mark IV transponder barely covers the cost of the device though.

I'm not sure which one I have - mine has the digital display. I paid less than $50 for sure, since I got mine through an American Express card deal.

I can't see it being that expensive considering the costs of the components cannot be all that much.

16 posted on 08/25/2004 1:49:27 PM PDT by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig, IL resident, Keyes supporter. FREE SABERTOOTH!)
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To: technochick99

The problem is that in many states (as with the Federal government), gasoline taxes cannot be used for roadway maintenance -- they are specifically intended to be used for capital projects, not ongoing maintenance.


17 posted on 08/25/2004 1:49:42 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: technochick99; Deek
The $50 you paid for the Mark IV transponder barely covers the cost of the device though.

Unless somethings changed recently, the $50 includes $40 in tolls, the device is $10.

18 posted on 08/25/2004 1:54:01 PM PDT by SJackson (You'd be amazed the number of people who wanna introduce themselves to you in the men's room J.Kerry)
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To: Rutles4Ever
I remember the last bill they tried to shove through: A promise to eliminate tolls in 10 years but the tolls will be DOUBLED in the mean time. Yeah right. The closest thing a human can get to eternity is a government bureaucracy.

damn crooks. BTW, the head of the toll booth department makes $100k/year and no one knows what her job is.

19 posted on 08/25/2004 1:54:16 PM PDT by rudypoot
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To: technochick99
I can't see it being that expensive considering the costs of the components cannot be all that much.

It does sound high, but that is about right. The single most expensive component in the device is the Lithium battery (making up about 1/3 of the cost).
20 posted on 08/25/2004 1:54:45 PM PDT by Deek
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