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Bush and I in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron from 1970 to 1971. (my title)
COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired) open public letter to Washington Times
| 8/24/2004
| A Navy Vet
Posted on 08/24/2004 3:06:29 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: Non-Sequitur
I agree, I noticed the NY markings when right after the base put it on display. Ellington was my support base for 23 years when I was in TexANG.
61
posted on
08/24/2004 4:06:22 PM PDT
by
ThomasPaine2000
(Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
To: NonValueAdded
"I think it was worth a repost to bring it back to everyone's attention."
I posted it to address the USA Today article today about Bush's service. There's a thread here somewhere about it.
62
posted on
08/24/2004 4:08:42 PM PDT
by
A Navy Vet
(www.swiftvets.com)
To: BushisTheMan
"The most important one for me is CHARACTER. Or don't you think that is an important item to be discussed?"If I thought it was unimportant, I wouldn't have issue with GW Bush's wartime service right along with Kerry's. The number of young men I personally knew that used the National Guard to escape possible service in Viet Nam far outweighs the numbers that choose National Guard service because duty called. Yes, character is an issue, but the whole Viet Nam War legacy is one of the most venomous in our history.
As I stated, "Only GW Bush knows what was on his mind during this period". If I go just on my wartime experiences, he's in the same pot as Kerry. I'm far to the right of GW Bush, and even further from Kerry. It's time to discuss present day issues.
To: bentfeather
"Tonk can you handle this one????"
Don't know, sorry
64
posted on
08/24/2004 4:09:34 PM PDT
by
68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
(Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
To: ThomasPaine2000; Petronski; All
Ill go with TP's call. The first is definitely the AFOU, but the second I can't tell without a color shot.
65
posted on
08/24/2004 4:09:46 PM PDT
by
Old Sarge
(ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
To: A Navy Vet
Straight talk FRom the horse's mouth!
Check Six, Hanoi John Effing Kerry! There is a -102 on your ass!
66
posted on
08/24/2004 4:12:00 PM PDT
by
Taxman
(So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
To: ChadGore
Spittin' Kittens
52 FG -a precursor to the Viking Kittens that roam these regions?
67
posted on
08/24/2004 4:15:32 PM PDT
by
TeleStraightShooter
(Kerry plans to graff post-Vietnam policy on Iraq: Cut funding and let the Syrian Baathists take over)
To: backtothestreets
Not to doubt you or anything, but it is my understanding that a few NG units were called up for Vietnam. Now most of those were ground units IIRC, so maybe it was different for ANG.
68
posted on
08/24/2004 4:17:17 PM PDT
by
AFreeBird
(your mileage may vary)
To: A Navy Vet
69
posted on
08/24/2004 4:18:12 PM PDT
by
shield
(The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
To: anoldafvet
"Well, Kerry enlisted in the NAVAL RESERVES, which is just like the Army and Air Force NATIONAL GUARD."
Just to pick nits, actually, the Reserve components of the "regular" Armed Forces and the National Guard components have differences in their basic missions, although NG units have been actively deployed oversees for decades. I was a Naval Reserve recruiter for a short time.
This is a problem I have with the fedgov takeover of state NG (organized militia) years ago.
70
posted on
08/24/2004 4:18:32 PM PDT
by
A Navy Vet
(www.swiftvets.com)
To: Nakota
Cpt. Dean Paul "Dino" Martin died in a military jet crash on the San Gorgonio Mountain (elev 11,490 ft), California, while on active duty with the California Air National Guard (March 1987). He was flying an F-4 Phantom. As I recall, it was a zero visablity situation, he was under the control of the tower (March AFB?), and missed a direction.
Martin had been part of the 1960's band "Dino, Desi, and Billy" and had at one time been married to Olympic skater Dorothy Hamill.
To: SBprone
"He still looks like a wiseass pilot."
Being ex Aviation Navy, I don't think I ever met a pilot that wasn't at least cocky. Takes a heap of smarts and ability to jockey aircraft in combat situations no less, whether fixed-wing or helo. Some of the best guys I've ever had the previlege to know.
72
posted on
08/24/2004 4:26:56 PM PDT
by
A Navy Vet
(www.swiftvets.com)
To: A Navy Vet
Kerry: Knock if off. BUMP
73
posted on
08/24/2004 4:29:22 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: Non-Sequitur; Stag
But .. just because the AIRCRAFT was originally assigned to NY doesn't mean the AIRCRAFT stayed in NY.
74
posted on
08/24/2004 4:32:34 PM PDT
by
CyberAnt
(President Bush: Nov 2004 - is an Election for the Soul of America)
To: Homer_J_Simpson
If you believe that .. then you are toooooo stupid to vote.
75
posted on
08/24/2004 4:34:12 PM PDT
by
CyberAnt
(President Bush: Nov 2004 - is an Election for the Soul of America)
To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Darned hard plane to fly bump.
76
posted on
08/24/2004 4:34:17 PM PDT
by
Darksheare
(Who are all these mimes, why are they in the woods, and did you know they taste like chicken?)
To: backtothestreets
Fair enough, from an informed viewpoint. But one major point the author was making, was that those aging aircraft were death traps and that Bush hardly chose an easy way out. You have to have some cojones to apply for and fly a fighter aircraft. It also appears he was interested in the "Palace Alert" operation. Although, it could be argued, he knew things were winding down so wasn't sincere. I doubt it.
You do have a point about the other issues. Unfortunately, Kerry has made the central point of his campaign about "military" issues.
Thank you and your brothers for your service. Quite a family you have there.
77
posted on
08/24/2004 4:34:34 PM PDT
by
A Navy Vet
(www.swiftvets.com)
To: anoldafvet
No, that's not a valid criticism: The Naval Reserve and regular Navy have no functional differences while you're on active duty. Commissions from the service academies and from a 4-year scholarship get you a regular commission; from ROTC, OTC, NUPOC, OCS, and other 90-day wonder schools (like what Kerry had after college) give you a REserve Commision. But a reserve commission is always 24-hour/7-day a week duty while on active duty, not any kind of "drill days."
After you leave active duty, then there is a significant change in whether (and how) you can get recalled, or simply leave.
78
posted on
08/24/2004 4:44:31 PM PDT
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
To: Taxman; Neil E. Wright; Alas Babylon!; dcwusmc; CholeraJoe; Jim Robinson; Eastbound; dixie sass
See my post #72...it so applies to you...hahaha...
79
posted on
08/24/2004 4:45:06 PM PDT
by
A Navy Vet
(www.swiftvets.com)
To: Darksheare
About 20% of the F-102's crashed from "routine operations" in peacetime...
More F-102/106's were lost than Swift boats.
Overall, roughly 1 in 4 single-engine fighter jet ejection seats were used FOR REAL as the pilot either ejected, was wounded, or was killed in crashes.
80
posted on
08/24/2004 4:46:37 PM PDT
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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