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TWO Russian Airliners Have Crashed.

Posted on 08/24/2004 3:01:38 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55

Per Foxnews Alert. Into the red sea.

60 people aboard the first one.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Political Humor/Cartoons; Russia; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: chechentrash; georgia; plane; planecrash; religionofpeace; russia; russian911; russianplanes; terrorism; war
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To: eno_
They have better sense than the AA587 spinners.

And better sense than those who blame every freaking crash on terrorism.

321 posted on 08/24/2004 3:55:26 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (I Annoy Buchananites)
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To: NJ_gent; All
I agree, but everyone's jumping to the conclusion that they have the answer when they don't even have any hard facts."

Hmmm...well, it seems that Moscow's air controller center also is considering the possibility of a terrorist attack. Near as I can determine, most folks on here are merely speculating as to what the cause might be, and most are inclined to believe terrorism is the likely cause -- not definite, but likely. There is a difference.

Latest bulletin from Agence France Press:

MOSCOW (AFP) One Russian airliner has crashed in central Russia and another is missing in the country's south, Russia's emergency ministry said.

A Tu-134 aircraft with 34 passengers and eight crew on board was en route to Russia's southern city of Volgograd when it disappeared off radar screens late Tuesday, the ministry's spokeswoman Marina Ryklina said.

Its tail was later found near the village of Buchalki in the Tula region some 180 kilometers (110 miles) south of Moscow, Ryklina said. The fate of passengers and crew was unclear.

Local emergency ministry officials cited witness reports of an explosion aboard before the airplane went down, the Interfax news agency reported.

In a separate case, a Tu-154 airplane with 44 people on board went missing near the southern city of Rostov-on-Don while on the way to the Black Sea resort of Sochi, officials said.

Both airplanes dropped off radar screens within minutes of each other, a source in Moscow's air controller center told the ITAR-TASS news agency, adding that he could not exclude the possibility of a terrorist act.

322 posted on 08/24/2004 3:55:39 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Dork, dufus, dolt, dummy, dope, dweeb, Democrat — ain't alliteration grand!)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Amen...the Laci Peterson trial got old last year.


323 posted on 08/24/2004 3:55:42 PM PDT by thomas70
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To: 1066AD
Never did like Aeroflot. Thoughts to the poor people on board.

Also known as Aeroflop and Scareoflot.

324 posted on 08/24/2004 3:56:01 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: bonfire
Heck bonfire.
Don't you know that eyewitnesses don't count?
And that it can't be terrorism?

/sarcasm

325 posted on 08/24/2004 3:56:01 PM PDT by Embedded Freeper
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To: JellyJam

Hijackers don't make planes disappear from radar, with no mayday. This was the work of one man, on the ground, at the airport both planes departed from.


326 posted on 08/24/2004 3:56:15 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: COEXERJ145; Smogger
I should have put a [/sarcasm] tag in there. I was repeating some of what has been stated in this thread as absolute certainty. That these absolutely certain assertions contradict one another doesn't seem to bother those who continue making them.

I'm still not convinced two planes went down. Why? Number one - it's Russia. Number two - it's still early in the accounts, which means there will be a lot of "facts" misreported by people through no fault of their own.
327 posted on 08/24/2004 3:56:54 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: sionnsar

You are correct. There was a case a few years ago of a jet airliners that unknowingly fly through a volcanic ash cloud above Indonesia, on the way to Australia. They were able to stay in the air for quite some time, in a descent, until they could get the engines re-started. 35,000 feet gives you a lot of time to work with if you still have control of the plane.</p>


328 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:04 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Is the Olympics in range of these airliners?

These were medium-range jets. The one that crashed in southern Russia was still hundreds of miles from Athens.

329 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:12 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Dork, dufus, dolt, dummy, dope, dweeb, Democrat — ain't alliteration grand!)
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To: Camel Joe

If that is the case..I wold think Putin would be the one in danger as it is obvious the plane has enough fuel to get there (since that was it's destination). I have no idea how far Greece is from the present location or the range of a TU-154.


330 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:16 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Embedded Freeper
Don't you know that eyewitnesses don't count?

And of course people here refuse to realize the truth that eyewitnesses are wrong in almost every crash.

331 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:18 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (I Annoy Buchananites)
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To: July 4th

60 and 44 passengers? Sounds like two private *commuter* planes. Still... let's wait until more data comes in.


332 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:47 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Larry Lucido

Actually, it looks more line a Trident than a 727.

Flew a Cubana flight once. Russian turboprop. It had throw rugs!


333 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:51 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: COEXERJ145

Then why only two? Keep guessing, you will one day see the light.


334 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:52 PM PDT by Camel Joe (Proud Uncle of a Fine Young Marine)
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To: COEXERJ145
Yes, but it can go too far the other way, too. Remember on 9/11, when CNN was claiming a possible "Navigational malfunction" after the second plane hit WTC ?

I understand caution, no one wants to look like one of those who jumped to the conclusion of muslim terrorists at OKC , yet it's just as silly to look like CNN on 9/11.

335 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:53 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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To: commish
Re: How far from Rostov-on-Don to Athens?

Map here. My #267

336 posted on 08/24/2004 3:57:57 PM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

"This could always be a signal for another bigger terrorist attack???"

Oh, crap! That has to be considered as a possibility!


337 posted on 08/24/2004 3:59:10 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: capitan_refugio
Probably not placed on board in the Middle East.
338 posted on 08/24/2004 3:59:39 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: NJ_gent
Number two - it's still early in the accounts, which means there will be a lot of "facts" misreported by people through no fault of their own.

Yep, so far the media can't even get the type of planes right. Some say both where TU-154's while others say one was a TU-154 and the other was a TU-134.

Then again, AA587 was a Boeing 767, a Boeing A300, an Airbus 767, a Boeing-Airbus 767/300, and they finally got it right as an Airbus A300-600R.

339 posted on 08/24/2004 3:59:45 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (I Annoy Buchananites)
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To: eno_

Re: the second plane ... can they turn off the plane's radar signal, so no one can track it?


340 posted on 08/24/2004 4:00:38 PM PDT by JellyJam
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