Posted on 08/24/2004 9:12:27 AM PDT by TheDoctorNoh
Other celebrities scheduled to attend the GOP convention are singer Wayne Newton (news), actor Stephen Baldwin (news) and actress Bo Derek (news).
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So when you fail, we get to call you "Saint wtc911", right?
And we get to pick you apart as well?
Please show me where I criticized him. I stated facts known to me. You can choose to think that my word is of no value (as you seem to imply by saying that you "have only your word") but that presupposes that you believe I am not being truthful. Why would you think so? What would be my motive? Where is the gain?
If I had said that, because of my involvement in film, I knew that Baldwin had signed on to do a series of children's Bible stories would you have accepted it or questioned it?
As I said, you're a bit of a boob. The thread is about who the real Stephen Baldwin is. I have information that others don't. I posted it. It conflicts with what you want to believe so you first ignore it and then declare it not usable in an honest discussion. Learn your style at Air America?
Thinking of doing something is a world away from signing a letter of intent to actually do it.
No personal attacks.
And what of the 'real' person that you are?
Are you a Christian?
And what about when you fail?
Shall we pick you apart?
Shall we condemn you for your failings?
Or, as said eloquently in post 61, shall we try to help you try harder?
Sorry, I think anyone who asserts to know what I'm thinking is a bit of a boob.
Still no answer to what kind of Christian makes movies with a pornographer.
You think wrong.
I already answered you.
You also got an answer on that from someone else.
Are you a Christian?
Or are you spouting about a subject you know nothing about?
Shall we pick you apart when you fail?
If you are a Christian, were you picked apart when you failed in the beginning?
The act of shooting a film requires a commitment of weeks if not months on the part of the talent. An actor reads a script before committing. An actor investigates through his agent the producers and the director. This is how it's done. This actor has decided to lend his name to a project put together by a notorious pornographer. That does not seem either conservative or Christian to me. It does seem not to stray too far from the lifestyle that this actor is known, among those of us who have worked with him, to embrace. You seem to be ok with that as long as he says he's a Christian. I see wishful thinking.
And you act as if people don't fail.
Nonsense.
and, btw, you have become a bit too boring which is unforgivable. Bye.
Actually it was Congressman Henry Hyde and family Alec was referring to...
'nonsense'?
Oh Sainted wtc911, pray tell us your superior wisdom then!
Honestly? I don't know. I may have asked for more info.
Thinking of doing something is a world away from signing a letter of intent to actually do it.
Since I'm not in the business, can you explain the difference between a letter of intent and a contract? Is there a difference? You can freep mail me if you'd like. I'd seriously like to know. The movie business is a mystery to those of us "outside" it's borders.
Is it a porno movie? I doubt it. So he is making a movie in which he has to portray a bad guy, or even a non christian. Big deal. It's a MOVIE.
The characters actors portray in movies are a vast difference from how they actually live their lives. He might be able to call upon his life in the past for experience, but it is still a movie. How he lives his real life is more important than the character portrayals he may have in films.
You criticized him for signing up for a movie that doesn't meet YOUR expectations of what is acceptable work for him.
An LOI is usually worded to indicate that Actor X has read Script Y and finds it to be an attractive project from a content and commercial perspective. Actor X agrees to play Role Z in film Y based on financial, credit and additional considerations to be negotiated at a later date.
Before an actor or director signs a letter of intent his agent and/or manager vetts both the script and the people involved in the production. Consideration is given to the genre and the anticipated rating from the perspective of the impact it might have on the actor's image. Some actors will not do any R rated films at all.
After the rep oks the script as a desirable one for his client the client reads it and makes his own decision. There are cases where an actor doesn't bother with this step and relies on the rep's say so.
An LOI is not signed and issued casually both for the above described content/image reasons and because there is an industry perception value assigned to the number of projects to which an actor will express his intent in writing. The more LOIs an actor issues the less valuable and desirable he becomes to other projects. Additionally, an actor could find himself in a scheduling bind if he issues too many LOIs and speads himself too thin.
In Indy film making (as opposed to Studio) every contract is preceeded by an LOI. The contract serves to define compensation, percs, credit, etc issues. Any indy producer holding an LOI from Actor X is going to secure financing using the LOI as an enticement. So, even if the film does not get financed the actor is associated with it by his own choice. His name is being used to raise money for the project, whether it will be rated PG or NC-17. That's how the game is played and everyone involved knows the rules.
Show me where I even mentioned whatI think is acceptable work for him. Use my words. You can't because I didn't. I assigned no moral assessment at all. I just stated what I know to be true.
I added (some) to your statement because there are many actors who put their money where their mouths are and will not lend their talent to certain types of projects....and then there are those who put their personal values on the shelf in order to get a pay day.
We recently attended a Christian Music Festival called Kingdom Bound near Buffalo NY, the beginning of August...We heard Stephen Baldwin speak...his wife became a Christian...and some time later he did too...I was quite impressed with what he had to say...he's not a bit like his siblings. Very Conservative sounding! It's obvious the Lord now in his life has changed his ways and thinking...
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