Posted on 08/22/2004 10:08:07 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton
Exposed: Scandal of double voters
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With debate over the 2000 election still raging, thousands of people illegally register in both New York City and Florida, which could swing an election.
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Registering in two places is illegal in both states, but the massive snowbird scandal goes undetected because election officials don't check rolls across state lines. The finding is even more stunning given the pivotal role Florida played in the 2000 presidential election, when a margin there of 537 votes tipped a victory to George W. Bush. Computer records analyzed by The News don't allow for an exact count of how many people vote in both places, because millions of names are regularly purged between elections. But The News found that between 400 and 1,000 registered voters have voted twice in at least one election, a federal offense punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. One was Norman Siegel, 84, who is registered as a Republican in both Pinellas Park, Fla., and Briarwood, Queens. Siegel has voted twice in seven elections, including the last four presidential races, records show.
Officials in both states acknowledge that voting in multiple states is something of a perfect crime, one officials don't have the means to catch.
"I can't imagine how the supervisors would have access to that information," said Jenny Nash, spokeswoman for the Florida secretary of state. "As far as I know, cross-state registry has not been discussed." The News' investigation also found:
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68% Dem, 12 Republican, but everyone they cite is Republican.
Exactly. Being registered in two places is not a crime. Voting in two places is. You are not responsible for the bureaucracy from purging you from the rolls. It happened to me too, except this was from two different counties in the same state!
Should be easy for someone to get the lists from S.FL and NYC and crosscheck.
What are the penalties for voting/being registered in multiple locations?
Wrong. If you read the article, you'd know that registering in both states is a crime. What is law is not a mere function of your whims ... unless you're a socialist or a communist. And I have no doubt, that thousands of those double-registrants did so, with intent to engage in voter fraud. Similarly, thousands of Florida voters -- most of them black -- engaged in voter fraud in 2000.
"One was Norman Siegel, 84, who is registered as a Republican in both Pinellas Park, Fla., and Briarwood, Queens. Siegel has voted twice in seven elections, including the last four presidential races, records show. "
I'll second that.
"Lets go back to an old fashioned idea, whatever address you use on your Federal taxes is your state of record. If you don't file you don't vote. "
A great suggestion! Then add one more factor, you must have a valid ID/with current picture confirming that address.
Your suggestion could be taken to the state level with state income taxes.
There is an EASY solution to this problem. Let the parties police this. Make the voters rolls available. Put a bounty on each double voter found. $1000 fine for double voting, 25% goes to the finder. The government makes a killing.
Nothing to see here, people. Move along
I especially love the quote from the democrat voter in the last two paragraphs. Basically, this drongo is saying that Well, I just know the Republicans have rigged things, so my voting twice is OK. Great! An electorate with no morals or ethics just what the founding fathers feared more than anything else.
Notice it was 68% of democrats who do this and only 12% of repubs, but 66% of those questioned in the article were the repubs, obviously ashamed since they didn't want to talk by their actions, however notice the democrat proudly boasts of casting two votes. To me there is a difference in the attitude, not only the numbers. The repubs knew they were caught and in their shame didn't want to talk, the dem thinks it is his right to commit fraud because of his perceived opinion on how he htinks the government is run--who wants to take bet this is one of the dems who was claiming they were disenfranchised even though he had one more vote than the majority of Americans? So between the uncounted military vote and fraudulant vote of lying seniors, Bush won Florida handily, probably the popular vote too by a hair if all the dead and nearly dead voting twice vote is taken out.
Why not indeed! With the country virtually split, it needs to be that much more precise now because ANY voter fraud could produce a fraudulant winner.
That wouldn't be your faulth though, however if you fraudulantly voted in both places, that is your responsibility.
I knew there was no way in hades that the Dims could be getting as many votes as they tend to get. I talk to people all the time and I'm constantly amazed at how many do NOT like the left. But to see the national results almost always the race is "close". I don't live under a rock either and I talk to people all over this country on a daily basis (I'm a computer network technician these days).
Now I know why
That is a seperate issue. The vote for president is a vote for a person in charge of the ENTIRE nation--you should only be able to vote once in that election.
You the NY Dem bozo makes no sense either. He could have chose one or the other. Since NY is so predominantly dem, he could have foregone voting at "home" and just put his vote in in Florida and then his issue would have been addressed and I bet his homestate still would have gone dem. His issue isn't even valid--now if someone lived in two swing states, even though it is wrong, I can see his point of basically wanting to assure the election one was or the other(fraud still), but I guess my point is he committed fraud for absolutel no legitamate reasons since his homestate is a rat stronghold anyway. I compare the attitudes of those they spoke with. The other two obviously scurrying away in shame, knowing they had been caught and the rat brazen and proud of the fact that he voted as he did(and also attempting to foist his fraud on the backs of other people(the pubs in Florida). It makes me wonder if dem seniors are not encouraged and supported in commiting fraud because they are so brazen in their fraud. The numbers support that one side may encourage it too because they are so wildly lopsided in who is doing it.
Well, friend, you are honest, probably like most who vote in the US. Obviously there are people on both sides, a higher percentage being dems, who are willing to commit fraud and essentially REALLY disenfranchise other votes by voting twice in a presidential election.
I'm with you Radix. I've always felt very strongly that only those actually paying taxes or at least those not accepting government assistance, specifically welfare, food stamps, or WIC should have a say so in economic policy. Perhaps a suspension of voting rights as long as you accept gov. assistance, or partial suspension(1/2 a vote since they still pay fica). Certainly would be a motivation to get off of it quickly and would disrupt those that encourage voters on assistance to vote dem with enticements like cigs and th elike
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