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Campaign mounted to recognize CCW In Federal Parks
TheHighRoad.org ^ | August 21, 2004 | various

Posted on 08/21/2004 10:36:08 AM PDT by Mulder

This was posted over on thehighroad.org. Also, Phil VanCleave, head of VCDL, has a thread posted over on packing.org.

There is currently a country wide campaign started this week to get the secretary of the Interior, (who packs herself) to change the policy and let CCW holders in U.S. Parks. Perhaps some of you have read this at Packing.org already. We should continue to contact the Secretary of the Interior, who could make the change without Congress' approval:

Ms. Gale Norton Secretary of the Interior U.S. Department of the Interior Dept. HG, 1849 C Street, NW Washington, DC 20240 Phone: (202) 208-7351 gale_norton@ios.doi.gov

How much do you want to bet that 3,100 emails and phone calls will get her attention?

Suggested email:

Dear Secretary Norton,

The regulations for federal parks need to be revised. Any citizen who is trusted by a state to carry a handgun for self-defense needs to be allowed to carry that handgun in federal parks. This can be accomplished easily using the same mechanism that is used in federal forests: have the park regulations assimilate the host state's firearms laws.

Criminals know no boundaries. Parks, often with remote areas, are not immune from violent crime. My right to defend my life and the lives of my family should not end at an artificial boundary that violent criminals will never respect.

Please let me know what you are going to do to protect my right to self-defense.

Sincerely, [name and address]


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; ccw; galenorton; guns; interior; nationalparks; parks
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To: Mulder
5 years back I asked the nice police lady in Bellevue WA how many they issue. She said about 6-8 a week. 40% are women. So I estimate there is at least 1-10 people in this surrounding area that have a pistola with them at any given time.
41 posted on 08/21/2004 2:37:47 PM PDT by 12.7mm
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To: glock rocks
Actually, it would be nice to carry any way/where you want. In fact, I'd support an amendment to that effect.

When I lived in CO from 1968 through 1977, I used to carry my Walther PPK on my belt, and my buddy had his Browning Hi-Power in full view also. On the way to the range, we'd stop at a diner for lunch. Local cops and troopers occassionaly stopped in. No problem-o. We'd talk about our weapons, etc.... Today, it's a little different, isn't it?

42 posted on 08/21/2004 2:37:57 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64

Sure is. A Blackhawk on the hip would certainly draw some attention in Albertson's these days.


43 posted on 08/21/2004 2:44:21 PM PDT by glock rocks (VK counter-intelligence)
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To: Joe Brower

CCW Bump


44 posted on 08/21/2004 2:46:13 PM PDT by NYTexan (....back to the bunker!....)
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To: coconutt2000
My guess is no criminal record and demonstrated need is the minimum in most areas.

You guess? How can you "guess"? Reminds me of people who "assume." Do some research. I'll give you a hint: In the state of NC, there are over 30,000 CCW holders. and there have been ZERO incidents of deliberate or accidental shootings.

45 posted on 08/21/2004 2:47:30 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Double Tap

I just love the people who think I'm advocating taking the guns away.


I'm more in favor of sending casual gun owners to the firing range until they know how to respect and handle their weapon responsibly. With the exception of violent criminals and the mentally incompetent, I don't advocate taking away weapons.

Get real people... Stop reading what I write through the goggles you like to wear.


46 posted on 08/21/2004 2:48:54 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Cobra64

Do some back reading... I'm not calling anyone with a CCW a casual gun owner.


47 posted on 08/21/2004 2:49:41 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: coconutt2000
I just think there are too many "casual" gun owners who don't respect the weapons they carry

Where? Who are they? What are you talking about? How many CCw holders do you know that fit your description? How many legal gun owners do you know at all. You sound like diane feinstein

48 posted on 08/21/2004 2:50:19 PM PDT by paul51
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To: coconutt2000
My guess is no criminal record and demonstrated need is the minimum in most areas.

Around 70% of states are now shall issue which means that if the applicant meets the requirements of CCW, the permit must be issued. Requirements usually include a training class. There is no good cause or demonstrated need required.

49 posted on 08/21/2004 2:52:36 PM PDT by Database
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To: coconutt2000

I posted your words. If you don't want them to sound like VPC propaganda, then think before you post. You are a gun-grabber.


50 posted on 08/21/2004 2:52:43 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Database

Then I stand corrected. I live in Hawaii where demonstrated need isn't even reason enough.


51 posted on 08/21/2004 2:54:39 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: glock rocks
Sure is. A Blackhawk on the hip would certainly draw some attention in Albertson's these days.

My wife and I always took the Ruger New Super Blackhawk .357, 6-1/2" bbl with us when we'd go camping in Utah (bears, dontcha know). I never wore it in public. Only the PPK, even in Larimar Square (Denver). Never had an issue with an LEO.

52 posted on 08/21/2004 2:54:43 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Mulder
Any person that goes into the National Parks needs to read this:

http://www.rangerfop.com/danger03.htm

Especially the parks on our southern border.

And I can attest that the management in Big Bend is willfully allowing illegal aliens to commit crimes in the park. Their words "The Rio Grande is NOT a national border, but only a feature of the landscape."

53 posted on 08/21/2004 2:56:20 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap
Coconut thinks that we shouldn't be "allowed" to have a gun without passing a gov't safety test and paying a fee to the gov't.

There was another thread on this whole issue.

54 posted on 08/21/2004 2:57:19 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Cobra64
My wife and I always took the Ruger New Super Blackhawk .357, 6-1/2" bbl with us when we'd go camping in Utah (bears, dontcha know

I was out in Arches NP last year, and loved it, and want to go back to Utah. What other parks out there would you recommend?

55 posted on 08/21/2004 2:58:24 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Mulder
Coconut thinks that we shouldn't be "allowed" to have a gun without passing a gov't safety test and paying a fee to the gov't.

OH, BUT he/she believes in the Second Amendment!!!

/sarcasm

Disgusting.

56 posted on 08/21/2004 2:59:35 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: 12.7mm
5 years back I asked the nice police lady in Bellevue WA how many they issue. She said about 6-8 a week. 40% are women.

I believe Washington state has one of the highest percentages of CCW holders of any state in the country. I think the reason for this is that the fees are inexpensive, especially when compared to other states.

Hopefully Florida will have reciprocity with WA soon.

57 posted on 08/21/2004 3:00:04 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: coconutt2000

Almost as bad here in California. Good cause is required, but issuing discretion is left to the county sheriff. In the more rural counties, the sheriff is essentially shall issue; others you have to have suitable political connections; and some there is no good cause that is acceptable.


58 posted on 08/21/2004 3:01:31 PM PDT by Database
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To: Double Tap
Any person that goes into the National Parks needs to read this:

Interesting reading. Thanks for the link.

All the more reason for the gov't to recognize our Right to carry there.

Honest citizens would be much more inclined to help out a Ranger in danger if they knew they weren't going to get harrassed about having a gun.

59 posted on 08/21/2004 3:02:35 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Mulder

You sleep in the trailer or like to backpack?


60 posted on 08/21/2004 3:04:19 PM PDT by glock rocks (VK counter-intelligence)
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