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Securing the Jewish vote an ace in Bush's polling cards
Irish Independent ^ | 21 August, 2004 | not stated

Posted on 08/21/2004 9:54:50 AM PDT by Happygal

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To: jeffolie

I just hope that in Dubya's second term, he'll give the Israeli's more room to take care of business over there. Leveling Tehran would be a good start. IMHO.....


21 posted on 08/21/2004 11:13:30 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: martin_fierro
"Except that 75% of U.S. Jews favor Kerry."

- I don't for a second doubt the percentage from this recent pol because the three most influential Jewish groups within in the US are; (a)in New York City (b)in Hollywood and (c)in the media. Guess what - with a few notable exceptions they are all Democratic kool aid drinkers.
Most other Jews outside these three groups take their cue from them and vote accordingly.
The fact that Yassar Arafat has come out and publicly supported Kerry means that they are siding with Israel's mortal enemy but apparently most don't seem to care. I guess they think they can give Kerry his marching orders on what the US policy will be vis a vis Israel after the election. Given Kerry's flip flop nature, they may well be right.
22 posted on 08/21/2004 1:17:12 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: ValerieUSA; SJackson; Alouette; yonif
mostly a ping for this topic.

Palestinians 'made millions' selling cheap cement for barrier they bitterly oppose
Telegraph UK ^ | Jul 26, 2004 | Inigo Gilmore

Posted on 07/27/2004 11:00:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A damning report by Palestinian legislators, which has been seen by the Telegraph, concludes that Mr Arafat did nothing to stop the deals although he publicly condemned the structure as a "crime against humanity"... The report reveals that the cement originally came from Egyptian companies which supplied it at a huge discount of $22 (£12.50) a ton to help rebuild dilapidated Palestinian houses or buildings bulldozed by the Israelis. Between September 2003 and March this year, 420,000 tons of cement were allegedly sent to three big Palestinian companies. According to the report, however, only 33,000 tons were sold in the Palestinian market. The vast bulk was transported to Israel on trucks owned by the three firms. According to Mr Khreishe, the cement was then sold with a mark-up of at least $15 a ton - and possibly as high as $100 - making profits of well over $6 million (£3.4 million) for company executives.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...



23 posted on 08/21/2004 1:40:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Happygal
if GWB does get 25 per cent, he'll have increased by 6 per cent overall (relatively speaking, about 32 per cent).
The Israel Swing Factor
by Jeffrey S. Helmreich
15 January 2001
[T]he greatest political strength of American Jewry lies in the fact that it is a uniquely swayable bloc . The issue of support for Israel has proven capable of spurring a sizable portion of Jews to switch parties - in large enough numbers to tip the scales in national or statewide elections. Moreover, the "Israel swing vote" is especially open to political courtship because, unlike the interests of other minority groups, support for Israel has long been compatible with traditional Republican and Democratic agendas. By contrast, most other issues (abortion, affirmative action, etc.) cannot be embraced by Republicans or Democrats without alienating certain support bases. A pro-Israel stance runs no such risk. On the other hand, being distinctively unsupportive of Israel can significantly hurt a candidate's chances.

Jewish Vote In Presidential Elections



Year Candidate % of Jewish Vote
1916    
  Hughes (R) 45
  Wilson (D) 55
     
1920    
  Harding (R) 43
  Cox (D) 19
  Debs (Soc) 38
     
1924    
  Coolidge (R) 27
  Davis (D) 51
  La Folette (Progressive) 22
     
1928    
  Hoover (R) 28
  Smith (D) 72
     
1932    
  Hoover (R) 18
  Roosevelt (D) 82
     
1936    
  Landon (R) 15
  Roosevelt (D) 85
     
1940    
  Wilkie (R) 10
  Roosevelt (D) 90
     
1944    
  Dewey (R) 10
  Roosevelt (D) 90
     
1948    
  Dewey (R) 10
  Truman (D) 75
  Wallace (Progressive) 15
     
1952    
  Eisenhower (R) 36
  Stevenson (D) 64
     
1956    
  Eisenhower (R) 40
  Stevenson (D) 60
     
1960    
  Nixon (R) 18
  Kennedy (D) 82
     
1964    
  Goldwater (R) 10
  Johnson (D) 90
     
1968    
  Nixon (R) 17
  Humphrey (D) 81
  Wallace (I) 2
     
1972    
  Nixon (R) 35
  McGovern (D) 65
     
1976    
  Ford (R) 27
  Carter (D) 71
  McCarthy (I) 2
     
1980    
  Reagan (R) 39
  Carter (D) 45
  Anderson (I) 14
     
1984    
  Reagan (R) 31
  Mondale (D) 67
     
1988    
  Bush (R) 35
  Dukakis (D) 64
     
1992    
  Bush (R) 11
  Clinton (D) 80
  Perot (I) 9
     
1996    
  Dole (R) 16
  Clinton (D) 78
  Perot (I) 3
     
2000    
  Bush (R) 19
  Gore (D) 79
  Nader (G) 1


Source: L. Sandy Maisel and Ira Forman, Eds. Jews in American Politics. (Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield, 2001), p. 153.

24 posted on 08/21/2004 1:44:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
25 posted on 08/21/2004 1:53:25 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach
a "yeah, no ****" ping:
Franco-American relations have hardly ever been worse than they have been in the days of the ascendancy of Jacques Chirac.
Huh, imagine that. Let's see, GWB was sworn in January 2001...
Jacques Rene Chirac
Iraqi News
Chirac was elected president of France in 1995 but has spent much of his time in office attempting to assuage an angry, disillusioned electorate.
DeGaulle reportedly bemoaned having to try to govern a nation with "265 types of cheese". I'm sure that having a nation that is seriously hungover has nothing to do with it. As do the gov'ts of the Middle East and Germany, the gov't of France has to distract its people from the local bad news, and that means screaming about the US.

26 posted on 08/21/2004 1:54:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: elbucko
This is disgusting. Bush (and 140,000 American soldiers, 900+dead), saved the Israeli Army from a "death march" across Jordan and Iraq to Baghdad in an effort to stop Husseins money funding suicide bombers. The only other alternative was to "Nuke" Baghdad, but Damascus, Cairo, Riyadh and Tehran, would have to follow.... This is an ugly and insensitive question, but: Did German Jews vote, overwhelmingly, for Hitler in 1932? I hope not, but sometimes I have to wonder.

Do you write for Al Jezeera or just get your news there?

If that's why GWB went to war, I'll not only vote for Kerry but support his impeachment.

27 posted on 08/21/2004 1:55:46 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: Happygal

Ed Koch: "We also should not forget that President Bush, in my opinion, has been the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House. At the U.N. Security Council and in the U.N. General Assembly, allies of the U.S. and others who are indifferent or hostile to our country have conveyed the view that if we end our alliance with Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, they would welcome back the U.S. into their circle. President Bush has refused to abandon our ally Israel.

In my opinion, the U.S. presidents who have been Israel’s greatest friends are, in order, the current President Bush, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. This November, we Americans in the Jewish community should remember our friends. We should thank President Bush for his courage in the war against terrorism and for his strong and consistent support for Israel and democracy. "

Ed Koch: Why Bush Must Be Re-elected
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1177308/posts


28 posted on 08/21/2004 2:28:36 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: martin_fierro
You're well behind, my friend. :) That poll was crushingly discredited (literally) on Day One. As the opening line of the article itself plainly states:

"A new poll commissioned by the National Jewish Democratic Council"

A Democratic Party source, plainly, is not going to willingly spread what is already Old News to we "Jews on the ground" (if you like): namely, that GWB is going to receive (at barest minimum) an unprecedented 35% to 40% of the Jewish vote in '04.

Stay away from the DNC-sponsored Kool-Aid. It has worms'n'stuff in it. :)

29 posted on 08/21/2004 2:30:29 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Happygal

They're dreaming.

> Kerry, for his part, has no corresponding assets.

He has the sycophant MSM.

I don't see NY being close to in play either. Hope I'm wrong.


30 posted on 08/21/2004 2:46:47 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: thoughtomator
That article is highly unlikely to be true. I know from firsthand observation that the Jewish community in the US is considering support for Bush more seriously than any other GOP candidate in my lifetime.

Correct, Jews voting 25% for President Bush would be more support for the GOP than any time in your/my lifetime.

I really don't understand it either, Clinton working with Prime Minister Ehud Barak would have been happy to give away all of Israel to Arafat if it made Clinton look good.

31 posted on 08/21/2004 3:04:02 PM PDT by RJL
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To: martin_fierro

I read that poll too, but am highly skeptical. That poll probably didnt include religious jews, who have done a complete 180. Every religious jew(including myself) i know voted for Gore, and this year, every single one is voting for Bush.
Most jews however are not religious, and the secular jewish vote is not as independent-minded. Israel and Foreign affairs are not particularly important to this group, as they are basically just wealthy urbanites and barely even identify themselves as jewish.


32 posted on 08/21/2004 3:07:08 PM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: martin_fierro

I read that poll too, but am highly skeptical. That poll probably didnt include religious jews, who have done a complete 180. Every religious jew(including myself) i know voted for Gore, and this year, every single one is voting for Bush.
Most jews however are not religious, and the secular jewish vote is not as independent-minded. Israel and Foreign affairs are not particularly important to this group, as they are basically just wealthy urbanites and barely even identify themselves as jewish.


33 posted on 08/21/2004 3:07:50 PM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: SJackson
Candidate Kerry in early speeches has spoken of 'holding the balance even' between Jews and Arabs, and his speeches went down quite well with Arafat and his followers. But for that very reason these speeches did not go down well with American Jews.

Hmmm, I've read an article recently, which says that most American Jews will vote for Kerry.

34 posted on 08/21/2004 3:45:03 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry, release your records as GW did. Prove you were in Cambodia under Nixon in 1968)
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Hmmm, I've read an article recently, which says that most American Jews will vote for Kerry.

Could be, who knows. In a political context, it's fair to note FR's reaction to the Jewish vote. Not exactly outreach.

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Yeah... maybe there IS no good reason... American Jews and American Muslims are both in bed with the Democrats,,, screw 'em both

Jews also overwhelmingly supported Stalin. I guess political stupidity is hardwired into the Jewish mind.

Given the choice between voting Republican and lining up to catch a train for Auschwitz, most American Jews would fight for a place in line for the train so long as Hillary Clinton was punching their tickets. It's the lemming vote.

How could such an educated and responsible group of people be so politically stupid for so long?

Please dont take this as being Anti -Semitic, but if 76% of American jews like Kerry over Bush there are some dumb-assed American jews.

You know something? It will serve them right if something really horrible happens to Israel if Kerry gets elected. Sad to say but sometimes people need a painfull reminder of who their real friends are.

Are Jews more anti-Christian than pro-Israel?

It is as amazing to me that Jews would vote for the party of anti-Semitism as it is that blacks vote the party of racism.

I can't stand how they want their cake and eat it too. Let these groups finally bear the consequences of their actions. We are damned if we do, damned if we don't. If these groups don't have negative consequences put upon them by their choices, then they will continue to support Democrats at no cost to their pork.

Well isn't this a kick in the junk! If they got their wish it would be hard to feel any empathy for the adverse consequenses they would suffer.

They seem determined to aid their own destruction. They seem to enjoy misery as away to exist.

I wonder if they felt the same way about Hitler?

And that racist blacks who hate them [Jews] vote in a democrat block also.

The Jews have been on the wrong side of history ever since the Exodus. So this shouldn't surprise anyone.

Not at all surprising to me. American liberal Jews are suicidal in the extreme. While they do not profess a hatred of Israel their actions tend to be more anti-Israel and anti-Jewish than any "hate" group I can think of. They support Nazi-style gun bans, a Nazi-style police state, Nazi-style propaganda (Jews own or control over 70% of mass media outlets...just a statistical fact folks, not me being a Nazi okay?), and Nazi-style socialism (government 'partnering' with private industry for the 'common good').

The devil has decieved them. They are blinded because of their unbelief.

If Bush Wins in November, then he should abide by the wishes of the Jewish voters and minimize support for Israel and make sure the hard working American tax dollars are completely cutoff from Israel. All aid to Israel should end. It is disgusting the tribe mentality of so many groups. I really have just now changed my view of American taxpayer support of Israel.

There is an extreme hatred/fear of Christians and Christianity among most American Jews that never really becomes obvious until something or someone Christian threatens to bubble up to the mainstream….That much is fact. I'm sure the reasons for it are more complex than I can guess at. It is ironic that if Christianity met the doom that most Jews wish for it that their own doom would swiftly follow.

the majority of Jews believe that in 1920 an organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood which is the original AQ and Arab Nazis was working with Hitler. It became the official policy of the The Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt. After WWII they moved to Saudi Arabia at which time BinLaden became interested. They also believe the CIA is an arm of this secret society which hates Jews. On top of it all they believe Bush 41 and 43 are also involved and support the Muslim Brotherhood.

A Christianity that is hidden and without influence ( as clearly most American Jews prefer ) is in no position to guard against what the rest of the world desires for the Jews.

what I say is......let them face the consequences..... objectively, the Jews of America are all about money, period, with an occassional indignation for some percieved injustice, just so they can claim some civil right infringement.....

THE ONLY REASON I CAN SEE WHY AMERICAN JEWS VOTE THE WAY THEY DO IS THAT THEY PURSUE MONEY ISSUES ABOVE ALL ELSE....

Documented accounts of Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis

For some damn reason, the Majority of Jews in this country are leftists, and leftists DESPISE Christianity and since Bush is a Devout Christian, they DESPISE him!!

Politically, as a group, the U.S. Jews are disgusting.

35 posted on 08/21/2004 4:16:27 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson
Do you write for Al Jezeera or just get your news there?

No! And I don't intimidate, either.

Except that 75% of U.S. Jews favor Kerry.

You forgot, conveniently, the subject of my admittedly gritty post. But I stand by what I wrote. Most "groups", Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, Irish, Mexican and lest we forget, the French, are their own worst enemy. I see no reason to exclude American Jews, when they are bent on ignoring their own self interest {*}.

Did Bush fight an ersatz war against Iraq for Israel? I think so. As well as cleaning up the neighborhood that needed a cleaning. No other country, at no other time and no other president had the resources, inclination and the moral duty to do so. Bush did and he took it. Like it or not!

So, you go ahead and vote for "Lord Jim" Kerry and impeach Bush. But there will be no "shalom" in the near or far future. For the West or the Middle East.

36 posted on 08/21/2004 5:21:19 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks for posting those stats. I am amazed and confused. How does one explain the traditional Jewish support for the Dems?
37 posted on 08/21/2004 6:20:21 PM PDT by GBA
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To: SJackson
Not exactly outreach.

Wow, it's hard to believe, yet, some of these quotes make sense.

38 posted on 08/21/2004 6:52:11 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry, release your records as GW did. Prove you were in Cambodia under Nixon in 1968)
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To: GBA
Jews are not particularly warlike or bloodthirsty, so they support Democrats, who managed to start every 20th century war in which the US was involved, except for WWII (Japan started that one; FDR had done everything under the sun to get Germany to attack in a dramatic way, but failed). Oh, wait. That doesn't explain it.

But seriously, I suppose it has to do with FDR. Even though FDR turned away the "St Louis", didn't do anything about the Holocaust (not even publicizing it), and during WWII told some visiting leaders of the Jewish faith and Catholic faith that the US is a Protestant country, and that Jews, Catholics, and others are here "by sufferance", FDR was the one who wanted to fight Hitler, appointed Jewish people to some high positions, got Prohibition removed, and pushed civil rights (the first Democrat president ever to do so).

Lotsa Jews are professionals (medicine, law, publishing) who don't like having the gubmint on their backs about the way they do their jobs. Unlike all of us, who love government interference in our work, right to work, right to live, and management of our personal property (joke).

There's an old saying, that if two Jews in the same room are asked their opinion about any one issue, they will come up with at least three opinions. There are plenty of Jews who are opposed to the existence of Israel as it is currently constituted. Perhaps they've not been in situations where they were subjected to the persecution (and if organized genocide campaigns against Israeli Jews isn't persecution, what is?) commonplace throughout the world where Jews are concerned. Living the US would certainly do that, since life here is good. As Sam Kinison used to say, people in other countries would kick our asses to be homeless in America.

I'm gettin' tired. G'night.

39 posted on 08/21/2004 8:48:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SJackson

Adolf Hitler could not put it better.


40 posted on 08/22/2004 12:05:11 PM PDT by chukcha
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