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U.S. Won't Abandon Germany, Commander Says
Guardian Unlimited ^ | August 19, 2004 | DAVID McHUGH

Posted on 08/19/2004 8:37:58 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

STUTTGART, Germany (AP) - The U.S. military will keep a significant troop presence in Germany and even expand some bases, a senior U.S. commander said Thursday, despite the planned withdrawal of two Cold War-era divisions over the next decade.

Air Force Gen. Charles F. Wald, deputy head of the U.S. military's European Command, also said major Air Force installations in Germany would be untouched by the troop realignment plans that President Bush announced Monday.

Wald said a new, mobile brigade using lighter Stryker armored vehicles would be added, and major headquarters would also stay.

``The real issue is not the percentage of troops leaving, so much as there will still be a significant capability left here, and it will be transformed to be more mobile, more light, and more responsive,'' Wald told reporters at European Command headquarters in Stuttgart.

The sprawling Ramstein air base in western Germany, already a major strategic airlift hub for the U.S. military's global operations, ``will become even larger,'' he said.

Another base at Spangdahlem, home to two U.S. F-16 squadrons, also will remain, he said.

Overall, though, the Pentagon wants to replace the larger, permanently based forces it relied on to deter the Soviet Union during the Cold War with more mobile forces to respond to new threats such as terrorism and regional crises.

Pentagon officials have said the two heavy divisions in Germany, the 1st Armored based in Wiesbaden and the Wuerzburg-based 1st Infantry, will leave.

Wald said the Stryker brigade - about a third the size of a division - would symbolize the effort ``to better respond to the new threats of the 21st century.''

Wald said the brigade's location was still be negotiated with the German government. European command officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said current plans envision basing it at the large U.S. training range near the Bavarian town of Grafenwoehr.

Command officials also said an airborne brigade or battalion would be stationed in Europe, and the Army would keep rotating other brigades into Europe, one at a time.

With the Cold War's end, the U.S. military wants to move away from permanently based troops with accompanying infrastructure such as schools and family housing, relying instead on more stripped-down facilities where units would rotate through for shorter deployments of several months in barracks or tents without spouses or children.

Many military personnel currently serve three-year tours overseas with their families.

``The part that does leave will be augmented by rotational forces on a routine basis, either here in Germany or other places in the area,'' Wald said.

As part of the consolidation, European Command's headquarters may actually be expanded, he said.

On Monday, Bush said the realignment ultimately would bring up to 70,000 troops - plus about 100,000 family members and civilian workers - from around the world back to the United States. Major shifts would not begin before 2006.

More than 200,000 U.S. troops are now stationed overseas, mostly in Europe.

Wald resisted giving specifics on the number of troops to be withdrawn from Germany or the timetable, but said that the Pentagon's concept of having fewer standing forces abroad would have advantages for the families of U.S. soldiers.

Military personnel would face ``smaller deployments and actually go places for a less extended period of time,'' Wald said. That shift ``will give them better predictability and quality of life,'' he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: militarybases; ramstein; sbct; spangdahlem; stryker; strykerbde; usmilitary
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A yet undesignated Stryker Brigade Combat Team home stationed at Graf. Probably not 2/3, 1/25, 172nd or 2/25. Most likely what is now called 2nd ACR or the mysterious seventh SBCT.

What would be the nearest C-17 - capable APOE?

What's the all standard gauge rail route to the Black Sea?

1 posted on 08/19/2004 8:37:59 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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Stryker Brigade Combat Team Tactical Studies Group (Chairborne)


2 posted on 08/19/2004 8:42:05 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American in Israel; American Soldier; archy; armymarinemom; bad company; ..

ping


3 posted on 08/19/2004 8:44:49 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
U.S. commander,Dang, Must have turn the changed that old chain of command.
Since my Christmas was spent there, 73, yes it has been awhile.
4 posted on 08/19/2004 8:44:53 PM PDT by BobbyK (The Truth Is Out There.)
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To: BobbyK
They had EUCOM when you were there.
5 posted on 08/19/2004 8:48:46 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: BobbyK

changed = chain.


6 posted on 08/19/2004 8:49:11 PM PDT by BobbyK (The Truth Is Out There.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Yeah, don't seem right. up.

7 posted on 08/19/2004 8:54:52 PM PDT by BobbyK (The Truth Is Out There.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Now that page brings back memories.

82-86 as part of the security force for Uncle Bernie's home away from home.

8 posted on 08/19/2004 8:57:43 PM PDT by dts32041 (Where is Obama bin hidin?)
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To: dts32041

I remember Uncle Bernie. I was up the road steppin' and fetchin' for Uncle Andy 84-86.


9 posted on 08/19/2004 9:34:45 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: All
Badly hurt Stryker soldier recovering

Lt. Damon Armeni remains in the intensive care unit at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., but "he's improved dramatically over the last 48 hours," his father, Dan, said in an e-mail Wednesday to The News Tribune.

He said his son would most likely be flown this morning to Madigan Army Medical Center at Fort Lewis.

10 posted on 08/19/2004 9:42:43 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

In the second week of November, that will change to, "we're abandoning you after all." ;')


11 posted on 08/19/2004 10:55:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I was with the 23rd Ordnance Co. in Heilbronn in 1971. Nice duty after spending 18 months in Phuoc Vinh, or maybe it was in Cambodia.
12 posted on 08/19/2004 11:10:18 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: SAMWolf

Flaming Piss Pot

13 posted on 08/19/2004 11:21:09 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

We were part of the 101st Ordnance Bn.

14 posted on 08/19/2004 11:55:04 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
U.S. Won't Abandon Germany, Commander Says -- why not? the germans abandoned us.
15 posted on 08/19/2004 11:56:07 PM PDT by smonk
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Why not ? Because US troops in Europe still need Germany's logistical bases, it's as simple as that. Hence the projects to expand Rammstein AFB while at the same time pulling out ground combat troops.

It's usually a sound advice to redeploy the ground troops nearer the probable combat theater, and it sure ain't gonna be Germany these days. But at the same time, Germany offers a "sanctuarized" logistical base safe from enemy action or insurgency operations.
16 posted on 08/20/2004 12:49:24 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
What would be the nearest C-17 - capable APOE?

I remember a study years ago which looked at adding more MOG to Ramstein to support deploying an SBCT through Germany to SWA.

17 posted on 08/20/2004 2:10:08 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (Only 5 cents a troll? Must be too many of the varmints around here...)
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To: Jonah Hex
MOG?

Graf AAF can take C-130's. Ingolstadt-Manching might be available if the Germans agree to it. Ramstein is a long road march from Rose Barracks.

I think they will fix the runway at Graf to take C-17's and garrison much of the SBCT at Vilseck.

18 posted on 08/20/2004 4:23:57 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Why not ? Because US troops in Europe still need Germany's logistical bases, it's as simple as that. Hence the projects to expand Rammstein AFB while at the same time pulling out ground combat troops.

Good point.

19 posted on 08/20/2004 4:30:50 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Abandon them to what fate? WHERE'S THE THREAT???


20 posted on 08/20/2004 5:52:00 AM PDT by Dionysius
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