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Kerry: Bush Lets Groups Do 'Dirty Work' (says: "BRING IT ON"!)
AP/My Way ^ | 8-19-04 | RON FOURNIER

Posted on 08/19/2004 8:57:17 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed

BOSTON (AP) - Sen. John Kerry accused President Bush on Thursday of relying on front groups to challenge his record of valor in Vietnam, asserting, "He wants them to do his dirty work."

Fighting back, Kerry said if Bush wants to "have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'" Bush served stateside in the Texas Air National Guard during the war.

"Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts," Kerry said in remarks to a firefighters convention.

"Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam."

Kerry received five medals for his service in Vietnam a generation ago, but his record has come under campaign challenge in television commercials aired by "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," funded by supporters of the president.

Bush and the White House have refused to condemn the ads, despite calls to do so - from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a former Vietnam prisoner of war, as well as from Democrats.

Senior Democrats, including some inside the presidential campaign, have urged Kerry to respond forcefully to the criticism, fearing that if left unanswered, it could undermine his claim as a war-tested veteran ready to assume command in an era of terrorism.

In a rapid response to the Democrat's speech, Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said the charge "leveled by Senator Kerry is absolutely and completely false."

"The Bush campaign has never and will never question John Kerry's service in Vietnam. The president has referred to John Kerry's service as noble service," the Bush spokesman said.

At the same time, neither the president nor any of his spokesmen has condemned the ad.

In addition to Kerry's speech before an audience of firefighters, his campaign released a new 30-second campaign commercial that features a former Green Beret saying the then-young Navy lieutenant saved his life under fire.

Recalling when his boat came under attack more than 30 years ago, Jim Rassmann says, "It blew me off the boat. All those Viet Cong were shooting at me. I expected I'd be shot. When he pulled me out of the river, he risked his life to save mine."

Aides said the commercial would air in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, three battleground states where the original anti-Kerry ad ran. The decision to advertise even in a limited fashion marked a change in course for the campaign, which had hoped to remain off the air for August to conserve cash for the fall campaign.

Kerry's remarks came as The Washington Post reported that records concerning a Vietnam veteran who claims in the anti-Kerry ad that the Massachusetts senator lied about being under fire was under constant attack himself during the same skirmish.

The newly obtained records of Larry Thurlow's medal citation show that he, like Kerry, won a Bronze Star in the engagement and that Thurlow's citation says he also was under attack, the Post reported.

In his speech, Kerry employed a wartime metaphor.

"More than 30 years ago I learned an important lesson. When you're under attack the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attack. That's what I intend to do today."

Speaking of the organization airing the ads that challenge his war record, Kerry said, "Of course, this group isn't interested in the truth and they're not telling the truth. ...

"But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they're up to tells you everything you need to know. He wants them to do his dirty work."

Kerry said, "Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that."

Kerry's comments drew boisterous cheers from members of the union that had endorsed him last year at a time his candidacy was struggling.

Rassmann, too, played a pivotal role in Kerry's campaign turnaround last winter. With the kickoff Iowa caucuses days away, the former Green Beret contacted the Massachusetts senator's aides and volunteered to appear with him to talk about Vietnam.

Rassmann has since become the best known member of a group of veterans that Kerry calls his "band of brothers" - a stress on military service designed to erode the traditional Republican campaign advantage on national security issues.

Thurlow, also like Kerry, commanded a Navy swift boat during Vietnam. He swore in an affidavit last month that Kerry was "not under fire" when he rescued Rassmann from the Bay Hap River.

Thurlow's records, obtained by the Post under the Freedom of Information Act, include references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at all five boats in the flotilla that day. In his Bronze Star citation, Thurlow is praised for helping a damaged swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him."

Thurlow, a registered Republican, said he was angry with Kerry for anti-war activities after his return to the United States, especially his claim that U.S. troops committed war crimes with the knowledge of their officers up the chain of command.

Thurlow told the Post that he got the award for helping to rescue a boat that was mined. He said he believed his own award would be fraudulent if it was based on coming under enemy fire.

He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

Members of Kerry's crew have said Kerry is telling the truth. Rassmann said he has vivid memories of enemies firing at him from both banks.


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KEYWORDS: dirtywork; fournier; kerry; sitzpinkler; sitzpinklerkerry; swiftboatveterans
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To: Beelzebubba
Here we go again, President Bush is not running for office on his or JFKerry "Viet Nam" service.

Somebody needs to intervene on behalf of JFKerry, he is losing it "BIG TIME".
21 posted on 08/19/2004 9:12:16 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Beelzebubba

Accusing President Bush of being behind this rings hollow. Too many times the left has tried to discredit Bush and failed. This is just one more time, ho, hum....


22 posted on 08/19/2004 9:12:46 AM PDT by maxter
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To: jackbill

Ron Fournier is, and always has been, a Democrat propagandist. Especially at election time.


23 posted on 08/19/2004 9:12:55 AM PDT by formercalifornian (Democrat platform: Hate, hate, hate, hate, tolerance, hate, hate, hate, hate)
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks for those very enlightening quotes. Obviously, Kerry's charges are entirely without merit, as one might suspect.


24 posted on 08/19/2004 9:15:01 AM PDT by formercalifornian (Democrat platform: Hate, hate, hate, hate, tolerance, hate, hate, hate, hate)
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To: Beelzebubba
"More than 30 years ago I learned an important lesson. When you're under attack the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attack. That's what I intend to do today."

Speaking of the organization airing the ads that challenge his war record, Kerry said, "Of course, this group isn't interested in the truth and they're not telling the truth. ...

"But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they're up to tells you everything you need to know. He wants them to do his dirty work."

Kerry said, "Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that."

Ok. So, Kerry is being really brave now, right?.

He is ready to take on the Swift Boat Vets, now that they have made these accussation against him, right?

He is intoning the the Bush administration has everything to do with this, as if it is a surprise attack, right?

Right, Senator Kerry?

Ok. So, why is it that, in May, you spent 45 minutes on the phone with Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman begging him not to move forward with the Swift Boat Vets project?

NewsMax was there to witness and record spokesman O’Neill’s recounting to the media how the Senator from Massachusetts spent 45 minutes on the phone with group founder Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (ret) trying to “discourage” the band of brothers from going public with their united sentiment that Kerry is unfit to be the nation’s commander in chief.
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It is, in fact, you, Senator Kerry (not President Bush) that has perpetuated this whole situation?

Interesting. You poke a bee-hive of raw emotions, tearing open 30-year old scars, still refusing to apoligize to all of the Vets for the words you cast down open them so many years ago, then they get motivated to do something about that, they start saying some things you don't like, and it's Bush's fault?

Are you serious?

You started this. You knew about it. You could have done something to prevent it (such as, stop using the misleading photograph). You are the one that has brought this down on yourself.

Grow up. Be a man. At least, act like a President, you big wussy.

25 posted on 08/19/2004 9:15:34 AM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Kerry's attempt at diversionary grandstanding. Just release the records, John. No big deal.


26 posted on 08/19/2004 9:16:05 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Beelzebubba
"Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts," Kerry said in remarks to a firefighters convention.

Sign the 180 , Senator.

27 posted on 08/19/2004 9:17:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... DNC & McAwful - Hairy Kerry now ..... hari kari later)
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To: Prost1

Is this the same "Lt. Sitzpinkler, reporting for duty," that I saw at some convention a few weeks ago?


28 posted on 08/19/2004 9:18:18 AM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: Shermy

That shrapnel doesn't seem to keep him from windsurfing, snowboarding, bicycling, etc... Probably was a rice kernel which has long since melted away...


29 posted on 08/19/2004 9:19:49 AM PDT by luckymom (Forget the baby whales, save the baby humans.)
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To: Beelzebubba
The Kerry supporters want me to believe that 5,000 yards worth of river bank exploded with gunfire from both sides and they didn't hit anyone? Gee, the VC must have been worse shots than the stormtroopers in Star Wars.
30 posted on 08/19/2004 9:20:08 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: mattdono
Speaking of the organization airing the ads that challenge his war record, Kerry said, "Of course, this group isn't interested in the truth and they're not telling the truth. ...

Notice how Kerry can't bring himself to call them by their name

Swift Boat VETS

31 posted on 08/19/2004 9:21:01 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: formercalifornian
Ron Fournier is, and always has been, a Democrat propagandist. Especially at election time.

Exactly my thought when I saw the same - this is right in line with what was obviously expected last night when the Kerry hit squad article came out in WP - Rush addressing right now & notes the citation was not written by Thurlow. Rush calls Post article "amateur journalism" and notes we have to know who wrote up the reports leading to Thurlow's citation (since Thurlow didn't author it). Kerry is stepping in it all over the place here. And where is his explanation about Christmas in Cambodia? Boy, Brinkley must be finding it harder than usual to rewrite history ROFLMAO.

32 posted on 08/19/2004 9:21:01 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Beelzebubba

I am starting to get the feeling of desperation from the kerry Campaign. I was struck last night about how Chris Mathews looked panic and was tellin Kerry how to run his campaign. I think they have some new internal polling that shows Kerry falling behind fast. Probably related to the Swift Boat Vets.


33 posted on 08/19/2004 9:21:05 AM PDT by GROOVY
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To: Beelzebubba

What is really ticking me off is that the media including Fox News, is not pointing out that MoveOn.org has been at it for months with dirty politics.


34 posted on 08/19/2004 9:21:33 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Beelzebubba
"More than 30 years ago I learned an important lesson. When you're under attack the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attack. That's what I intend to do today."

That's why he high-tailed it down river when the mine went off.

35 posted on 08/19/2004 9:22:47 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Mo1
I still want to know how the Post could get these records...

Because the DNC has provided the WASH POST "dirt" on all of the Swift Vets, including their "military records, medical and psychiatric records, credit records, divorce records and more".
»  Washington Post Begins "Brown Book" Attacks on Swift Boat Vets
»  Dems Plan Assault on Vets

So, yeah, the fix is mostly in.

We are really the only thing standing in the gaps. Are you prepared to do so?

36 posted on 08/19/2004 9:23:39 AM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Beelzebubba

I use to think no one could be as disgusting as Bill Clinton. Then Al Gore came along in the 2000 election. He made it easy to transfer all my animosities to him as he was such a jerk in the recount and all. Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, then along comes John Kerry. What can I say?


37 posted on 08/19/2004 9:23:59 AM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: Beelzebubba

I'm grinning listening to news reporters on tv having to report that Kerry is claiming that President Bush is behind attacks that Kerry's war record is phoney. It just sounds so funny, they sound puzzled as to how to make it sound good for Kerry and almost apologetic that they have to include the charge that Kerry lied for his medals. This can't be good for Kerry, there's no way to spin a mudslinging contest into a church social.


38 posted on 08/19/2004 9:24:37 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Chieftain
Ping...

You may have seen that Kerry is accusing Bush, formally, of being behind the Swift Boat Vets.

Offered my commentary here...

39 posted on 08/19/2004 9:26:24 AM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Beelzebubba
According to Kerrry, rigorous enemy fire came from 2 1/2 miles along the 2 banks of the river.

Why are there no reports of injury from any of the approximately 24 Navy men there?

Or bullet holes in the boats?

40 posted on 08/19/2004 9:27:19 AM PDT by what's up
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