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Keyes won't back down on reparations
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 8/19/04 | SCOTT FORNEK

Posted on 08/19/2004 5:27:04 AM PDT by kattracks

His voice rising to a yell, Republican U.S. Senate nominee Alan Keyes told a bipartisan civic group Wednesday he "will not budge" from his belief that descendants of slaves should be exempted from income taxes to help heal the wounds of past discrimination and segregation.

The former presidential candidate disdainfully brushed aside questions over whether his suggestion should apply to rich African Americans such as Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey.

"Do you know how many Oprah Winfreys there might have been running around in the 1930s or in the 1920s or in the 19-teens that got nowhere because the doors were shut in their face?" Keyes thundered. "If you think that because I wear a conservative label, I have forgotten that history and am not mindful of that injustice -- then I will tell you now that you are wrong."

Keyes delivered his blistering defense at a luncheon of the City Club of Chicago, scolding fellow conservatives who challenged his proposal and evoking the struggle of his African-American parents, saying they had talent and "hearts and spirit and strength and faith."

"Why didn't they get to a point where they could stand on this platform?" Keyes aked.

Vying against Democrat Barack Obama, Keyes drew heat from conservatives earlier this week when he proposed exempting descendants of slaves from income taxes for a generation or two, a view he insists "involves a traditionally Republican, conservative and market-oriented approach."

On Wednesday, Keyes ridiculed the fuss over his position, saying it is simply a tax break, something "Republicans and my conservative brethren" don't object to when applied to a "wealthy corporation."

Conservative activist Jack Roeser met with Keyes for what Roeser called "a long argument and an intense one" over the issue before the speech. A Barrington businessman, Roeser said he still is not sold on Keyes' reparations proposal, but still plans to support him anyway. "I will tell my friends that this is a good man, and we should support him."



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To: cicero's_son
Am I wrong in saying that you hate Keyes? Is "hate" too strong a word?

Strengh has nothing to do with it. Your DIRECTION is off by a country mile. It's like asking "does blue weigh more than orange?"

I don't hate him. I do hold him in contempt. I am disgusted with him. I am disappointed in him, having supported him for YEARS.

But I don't hate him. Not in the least.

441 posted on 08/19/2004 1:12:16 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Don't play the ingenue. You come in here, sh!tting on anyone who dares to speak the truth about this insanity, and then when your targets don't fold up and go home, you start playing cute?

I came in here quoting JimRob's feelings on the Keyes bashing. If you don't like it, go to DU. But don't tell me what I can post. I WILL continue to post those words.

442 posted on 08/19/2004 1:12:39 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Don Joe

Michael Medved just called him psychotic.


443 posted on 08/19/2004 1:12:42 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: EternalVigilance

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194545/posts?page=314#314


444 posted on 08/19/2004 1:13:21 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: cicero's_son
Why? It's not costing you anything.

50 million illegal Mexicans will need billions and billions of dollars of our tax money. We need every payer we can get. Besides, if the Blacks are mad at America let them go to the Sudan to live.

445 posted on 08/19/2004 1:13:33 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: cicero's_son
Someone else on this thread just made another great point in support of his proposal: if it gets African Americans thinking in terms of personal economic empowerment and tax reductions, the Democrats wouldn't win another national election in our lifetimes.

I keep bringing up what I think would be the worst unintended consequence of such a plan, which would be a deepening resentment of African-Americans as a whole. This country would be split into taxpayers and non-taxpayers; those who pull their weight and those who don't; those who leech off the taxpayers and those who don't....see what I mean? I don't think I'm overexaggerating this likelihood. Nobody should want this proposal to become reality, including blacks.

446 posted on 08/19/2004 1:13:47 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
In the early days of slavery there were American Indian slaves also. Shouldn't they get this reparation also?

They do. They live in tax-free oases and with the advent of casino gambling, have been racking up nice tax-exempt profits.
447 posted on 08/19/2004 1:14:01 PM PDT by Antoninus (Abortion; Euthanasia; Fetal Stem Cell Research; Human Cloning; Homo Marriage - NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES)
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To: cicero's_son
I guess that means you'd oppose any tax break on the grounds that some other poor sap out there will have to "pay for it."

You're damn straight I'll oppose any selective tax break, if it's based on a bigotry-basis.

Want to offer a selective tax break based on skin color, sexual practices, gender, or national origin?

Then count me in as being OPPOSED to it.

448 posted on 08/19/2004 1:14:02 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe; cicero's_son
Your DIRECTION is off by a country mile. It's like asking "does blue weigh more than orange?"

You said Keyes is a ...moron...that's all. "hate" Seems right on target to me.

449 posted on 08/19/2004 1:14:18 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Antoninus
I have to tell you, Antoninus, the more I think about the idea, the more I like it.

A lot of conservatives (myself included) have a visceral negative response to any kind of talk about reparations for slavery, perhaps because the issue has been pimped for so long by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

But positioning it as a TAX CUT really turns the whole idea on its head, doesn't it? I mean, instead of conceiving of reparations as a new entitlement complete with a new federal bureaucracy, Keyes is turning it into a means of reducing the overall tax burden. Hmm.....

450 posted on 08/19/2004 1:14:29 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Antoninus
I have to tell you, Antoninus, the more I think about the idea, the more I like it.

A lot of conservatives (myself included) have a visceral negative response to any kind of talk about reparations for slavery, perhaps because the issue has been pimped for so long by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

But positioning it as a TAX CUT really turns the whole idea on its head, doesn't it? I mean, instead of conceiving of reparations as a new entitlement complete with a new federal bureaucracy, Keyes is turning it into a means of reducing the overall tax burden. Hmm.....

451 posted on 08/19/2004 1:14:37 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Antoninus
It's not that baffling really. He needs Black votes if he's going to win or even be competitive.

He is also going to need more than a few white votes. How will he get them by proposing something like this?

It's a political lever and if we just get out of the way and stop having hissy-fits, it might just propel Dr. Keyes into office.

So he doesn't really mean it? He is merely pandering to the black population in a blatant attempt to curry their votes? The fact that it directly contradicts earlier stands of his is of no importance? Where is that person who wondered why I would vote for Kohn?

452 posted on 08/19/2004 1:15:07 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: All

Medved=RINO.


453 posted on 08/19/2004 1:15:30 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame
He says he doesn't hate Keyes, he just thinks he's a moron.

Oh, I'm sorry.

What's the politically correct term for someone who comes up with a MORONIC idea, and then makes it into the centerpiece of his political career?

454 posted on 08/19/2004 1:15:43 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Junior_G
You raise very good points.

If the effect of the proposal is to deepen the sense of resentment/entitlement created by the affirmative action regime, then it probably wouldn't be worthwhile.

455 posted on 08/19/2004 1:16:16 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Scenic Sounds
I'm wondering if he knew that it would be this surprising to many people or if maybe he just came up with it sort of on the spur of the moment and didn't really think it through before he started talking about it. That kind of thing can happen, you know.

We all commit the occasional faux pas.

But it takes a special kind of... something for someone to dig in and defend his brainfart as if it was his firstborn child.

456 posted on 08/19/2004 1:17:57 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: cicero's_son
If the effect of the proposal is to deepen the sense of resentment/entitlement created by the affirmative action regime, then it probably wouldn't be worthwhile.

When I watched Keyes on Scarborough Country this week, Keyes said he was against quotas and for affirmative action.

457 posted on 08/19/2004 1:18:00 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: tame
He wants to hear from Keyes "apologists". Now's your chance. Call in. Convince us he's wrong. Let's hear you debate Michael Medved. ROTFLMAO
458 posted on 08/19/2004 1:18:42 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: Don Joe

One thing you and I agree on is that favoritism for blacks is a stupid idea...even when Keyes suggests it. But, generally, he is on the side of the angels.


459 posted on 08/19/2004 1:19:20 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: cicero's_son
But positioning it as a TAX CUT really turns the whole idea on its head, doesn't it? I mean, instead of conceiving of reparations as a new entitlement complete with a new federal bureaucracy, Keyes is turning it into a means of reducing the overall tax burden. Hmm.....

Yeah, we can eliminate taxes for a large number of people without making up for that deficit by raising taxes from anyone else.

Why, it's like free money, isn't it? ;-)

460 posted on 08/19/2004 1:20:14 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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