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A Conservative Slave Reparations Plan? (Keyes)
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 8/19/04

Posted on 08/19/2004 12:56:29 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Keyes2000mt; WillRain
WillRain: One good reason for this is that almost everyone who runs for high office either already holds an office...or are independently wealthy...part of the rational behind it being legal - and behind Keyes doing it - is that few "ordinary people" could afford to be away from their prime source of income for the time necessary to be elected.

Keyes2000mt: Keyes in the year before he ran for the Senate earned $300,000 a year, so he was taking a 2/3 pay cut to run for the Senate in Maryland in '92.

I think most of us would consider a person making $300,000 per year relatively wealthy, and $96,000 a fairly generous salary, especially since one would assume the campaign paid his expenses in addition to the salary.

61 posted on 08/19/2004 3:45:42 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Aquinasfan

Yet, in the end, the people of America, set it right.

The time approaches when it will be done again.


62 posted on 08/19/2004 5:51:39 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Boot Hill
One-way, tourist class to any country you like.

Contingent of course upon the handing in and destruction of your passport and US citizenship at the port of embarkation immediately before boarding the aircraft.

63 posted on 08/19/2004 5:58:08 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: Amelia

$96,000 would be great. However, one has to remember that he bought a house, car depending on a 300,000 a year salary.


64 posted on 08/19/2004 6:35:39 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (Conservative Values in Idaho: http://adamsweb/us/IdahoConservative)
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To: Keyes2000mt
However, one has to remember that he bought a house, car depending on a 300,000 a year salary.

i.e., he doesn't live like the rest of us.....

65 posted on 08/19/2004 8:02:03 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

So now we're saying that Upper Middle Class people have to sacrifice their whole livelihood to serve their country?

Well, don't complain that good people don't run, because good people can't afford to ruin their families.


66 posted on 08/19/2004 8:09:48 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (Conservative Values in Idaho: http://adamsweb/us/IdahoConservative)
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To: WillRain
Actually, Keyes intent is to repair economic hardship - not to compensate directly for being slaves. The economic hardship didn't end in 1865. It might still be a bad idea, but the rational is based in economics, not the morality of slavery.

So if Alan Keyes is accustomed to drawing a salary of $300K, and he also qualifies for reparations under this plan, how can you honestly make this claim?

You really can't.

67 posted on 08/19/2004 9:14:08 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: Keyes2000mt

So now we're saying that Upper Middle Class people have to sacrifice their whole livelihood to serve their country?



Wasn't that to some degree the intent of the Founding Fathers that people would come serve for a limited time and return home? Maybe Keyes could get us back on track... Heck with the new communication equipment today they could remain in state, have hook ups at their office, debate, vote, hold committee hearings, etc from home base. Then the locals could come down and see them in action and get to know them better.... Maybe even offer input into the way they are proceeding with a bill, vote, etc..

Gosh maybe it could come to pass..... reckon?


68 posted on 08/19/2004 9:30:23 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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To: deport

The problem isn't the sacrifice of serving, it's the sacrifice of running. America is ruled by the golden rule of politics, "He who has the gold rules." It used to be in the founding era, people running for President or Senate didn't campaign. The Presidential candidate stayed home, lived his life, and waited for the results.

I have no problem with people sacrificing when they serve, I have a problem with expecting peole to be destitute so they can run.


69 posted on 08/19/2004 9:36:41 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (Conservative Values in Idaho: http://adamsweb/us/IdahoConservative)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Well maybe Keyes can take some of the tax break money and use it to pay candidates while they are on the circuit trying to get that elected job so they can serve.... Heck we've got us a new 'class' of ppl now... Yep, I think Keyes could or should undertake that as part of his tax break plan.... Maybe only for a couple of generations also.

Now in all seriousness, it is a problem. If you aren't at least partially weathly or have some income from a business, investments, inheritance, etc then you do have a problem taking off your job to run while at the same time maintaining support for the family.


70 posted on 08/19/2004 9:48:38 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

And of course, the prcentage of the slave-descended population which makes upper class income would be what? under 2% I guess since Bill Clinton was claiming that only about 2% of ALL taxpayers made that much.

Besides, don't nitpick the paln with me - I haven't said I liked it or endorsed it - only that any smart guy is entitled to a loopy, impossible-to-pass, idea once in a while.


71 posted on 08/19/2004 10:32:12 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: WillRain

I'm not nitpicking. I'm responding to your claim.

I still don't think it can be legitimately said that it's to remedy economic impact if included in its beneficiaries are people who make upwards of $300K a year - not to mention the Oprah Winfreys of the world.

People keep saying that poor black people don't pay anything anyway - does this plan really sound like remedy for economic impact if that is the case?

I don't think so.

I do agree that it's loopy.


72 posted on 08/19/2004 10:37:27 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: Keyes2000mt
So now we're saying that Upper Middle Class people have to sacrifice their whole livelihood to serve their country?

No, I'm saying that "ordinary people" don't generally make anywhere close to $300,000 per year.

That being said, if one is running on principle and conscience as Keyes has always said he is, I'd think that making some sacrifices might be acceptable.

I also think that most of us here, if making that much money and sufficiently motivated, could find a way within a year or two to get all our bills (including the house and car) paid off and save up a couple of hundred thousand to pay for our run....but maybe not.

73 posted on 08/20/2004 3:05:45 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I still don't think it can be legitimately said that it's to remedy economic impact if included in its beneficiaries are people who make upwards of $300K a year - not to mention the Oprah Winfreys of the world.

When we have people like Keyes, Oprah Winfrey, Clarence Thomas, Condeleeza Rice, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Bill Cosby, Morgan Freeman, (the list goes on but you get the idea) I wonder why people see a need for this.

Seems to me there must be a reason other than who one's ancestors were that determines success or lack thereof.

And, I agree with you that Keyes' plan would be targeted toward those blacks who are already successful, not the ones who actually might need economic assistance.

74 posted on 08/20/2004 3:20:49 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Well again Keyes sacrificed $200,000 a year in income. Of course, with speaking arrangements he has now this is hardly necessary.


75 posted on 08/20/2004 6:30:35 AM PDT by Keyes2000mt (Conservative Values in Idaho: http://adamsweb/us/IdahoConservative)
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To: Amelia
i.e., he doesn't live like the rest of us.....

Looks like he might:


76 posted on 08/20/2004 10:50:33 AM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: Howlin

Nice house! Did it say how much property comes with that?


77 posted on 08/20/2004 2:18:51 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Keyes2000mt
Well again Keyes sacrificed $200,000 a year in income.

What a martyr for the cause!

78 posted on 08/20/2004 2:21:36 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Keyes2000mt
Of course, with speaking arrangements he has now this is hardly necessary.

He's being paid to speak?

79 posted on 08/20/2004 2:30:11 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I didn't know that had anything to do with Michael Moore. That's about the third or fourth thing I've learned about tonight...

It was back in 2000 when Moore was doing his tv show "The Awful Truth" and offered to put up an endorsement on his website of any politician who would crowd surf a mosh pit that he drove up to their appearances on a flatbed truck. Keyes was the only candidate to take the plunge, and Moore duly included an endorsement and link to Keyes on his website.

80 posted on 08/20/2004 2:33:04 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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