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KERRY-TALE: No. 2 - He only had a 50-caliber machine gun to use against people
8-18-04 | dfu

Posted on 08/18/2004 7:46:34 PM PDT by doug from upland

Note: this is No. 2 in a series that will be exploring Kerry-tales. Please add your links for this item.

Previous Episodes:

KERRY-TALE NO. 1 - John O'Neill is a Republican operative

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Quote from John Kerry's testimony before Congress:

I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people.

That is an interesting quote. Unfortunately, it is a lie.

Kerry claims that his first Purple Heart was earned during a nighttime patrol, when his group was attempting to stop the Vietcong from transporting contraband. In Douglas Brinkley's biography of Kerry, "Tour of Duty", Kerry describes reaching into the boat to pick up another gun after his M-16 jammed. "...

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Can anyone find of photo of him with an M-16?


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KEYWORDS: 50caliber; kerry; kerrylied; m16
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To: isthisnickcool
Kerry said oday that returning soldiers deserve respect and gratitude!!!! I can't believe the Chutzpah!1 He accused his fellow servicemen of being baby kilers and rapists!!

If Kery witnessed these atrocities,then they must have been done by "The Band-Aid Brothers" because he wasn;t NEAR any of the other Swift Boat Vets to see them...acording to the leftists.!!

Hey Band Aid Brothers......Kerry is accusing YOU of murder and rape!!!

41 posted on 08/18/2004 9:20:01 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: lonestar

The mighty hunter/war hero, looks to be flinching to me.


42 posted on 08/18/2004 9:20:13 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: wasnova

Wow. NJ must have very little open area remaining. Well, you and Phantom Lord have an open invitation to come hunt in the great open west where you can roam hundreds of thousands of acres of uninhabited area. New Mexico is a great spot for hunting as are west and central Texas. East Texas is fine if you do not mind hunting in thousands of acres of thicket. Wyoming and Montana are smashing as well.


43 posted on 08/18/2004 9:25:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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44 posted on 08/18/2004 9:33:12 PM PDT by Boazo (LOSE THE TAG LINE)
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45 posted on 08/18/2004 9:36:43 PM PDT by Boazo (LOSE THE TAG LINE)
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To: doug from upland
I'm not a hunter, but doesn't hunting deer with a shotgun require slugs, not shot? A quick look at regs on the web shows things like "10, 12, 16, 20, 28, or .410 gauge shotgun using one ball or one rifled slug per barrel (rifled shotgun barrels are permitted when using shotgun slug ammunition)" These 1-1/4 ounce slugs must do some serious damage.


46 posted on 08/18/2004 9:41:44 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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47 posted on 08/18/2004 9:42:10 PM PDT by Boazo (LOSE THE TAG LINE)
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To: opbuzz

Current practice seems to be a kind of cradle thing, with muzzle down.
Goes with some very different technique and might have to do with changes to the sight/handle configuration on newer combat rifles. [total speculation]
I always carried slung over one arm and muzzle down when HUNTING or just roaming around corn fields.
Years back, GI practice was kind of a port arms carry ready to swing up to shoulder...certainly using two hands with dominant hand on pistol grip and with muzzle up and forward.
In movies the Rambo type carries on a sling, no hands, waist high, grabs, pulls up to rib cage, and fires without aim: OK if you want to hit someone's feet and are not standing straight up offering a target at the same time.
I think the deal with the Kerry photo is that I know no one who admits to carrying an M16 in one hand, by the pistol grip, pointing [or dragging] down into the dirt.
Someone might also want to survey how many actual 'been there' photos you can find with that "determined and decisive..." posed facial set....[hint, none].


48 posted on 08/18/2004 9:53:07 PM PDT by norton
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To: Optimist

just doesn't seem like a very clean kill



Using double ought buckshot or a slug is a fine way to take down a deer at close range. I know, I've done it.


49 posted on 08/18/2004 9:59:20 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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50 posted on 08/18/2004 10:01:16 PM PDT by Boazo (LOSE THE TAG LINE)
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51 posted on 08/18/2004 10:01:58 PM PDT by Boazo (LOSE THE TAG LINE)
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To: Optimist
A shotgun for hunting deer?

Mandatory in many states. However the usual gun is a single barrel, not a double, let alone a side by side duck gun. The single barrel could be a single shot break action, but more common would be a pump or semi-auto.

52 posted on 08/18/2004 10:51:30 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Optimist
just doesn't seem like a very clean kill

A shotgun slug, either rifled or a sabot shot from a rifled barrel (yes a rifled shotgun barrel!) Has ballistics somewhat like the old .50 and .75 caliber rifles and muskets. Lots of venison got put on the table by those. A slug carries alot of energy, sloww but heavy and it doesn't overpentrate. It'll drop a deer at least as well as a rifle bullet, at an appropriate range of course.

53 posted on 08/18/2004 10:56:32 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Army Air Corps
You would have to get very, very close to kill a deer with a shogun.

Not all that close. A few tens of yards. You can't reach out an touch 'em with a shotun. But you couldn't do that with a plains rifle or a "Kentucky" Long rifle either. Modern slug guns are at least as accurate, and may be somewhat harder hitting.

I'm sure you are thinking of birdshot, which is not used for dear hunting. Buckshot is sometimes used, but not so much anymore. On another thread Donna Brasile of the DNC is quoted as indicating you hunt pheasants with buckshot, but of course you don't do that any more than shoot deer with birdshot.

54 posted on 08/18/2004 11:01:40 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
These 1-1/4 ounce slugs must do some serious damage.

Bet your bippy they do. You can used them to break up concrete blocks from a few tens of yards away. Sabot slugs, which are lighter, and thus faster, can do even more damage.

55 posted on 08/18/2004 11:06:43 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: OKSooner
Also, the first purple heart wound was caused by a fragment from an m-79 grenade.

Wasn't that one of the times he fragged himself?

56 posted on 08/18/2004 11:07:02 PM PDT by Grani ("Kerry WAS in Cambodia......before he was NOT in Cambodia." --- RonDog)
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To: ProudVet77

Depending on the situation, nothing, or a great deal. If he's in a rear area, with contact unlikely, there's nothing particularly wrong with that carry, by the pistol grip. He's tall, so the muzzle would be well clear of the ground. It's oriented down, so it's not inadvertantly pointed at anybody else.

If he's in an area where contact is likely, if he was one of mine I would want it in a more immediately-useful position.

As for the discussion about shotguns and deer, there are many places where shotguns are the ONLY legal firearm for big game, and most places in the South where deer are hunted with dogs they are the preferred weapon. Also, I have a Remington 870 with a slug barrel that will print three slugs in 3" at 125 yards, and the deer has never been born that can survive three 1 ounce slugs in their vitals.


57 posted on 08/18/2004 11:20:12 PM PDT by UncleJeff
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To: Army Air Corps
Hunting deer with a shotgun would land his butt in jail in Texas.

Actually, I don't think it would. From the Texas Parks and Wildlife hunting regulations:

Means and Methods
Firearms
Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT: • white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber.

So It would appear you can take your 12 gauge and shoot a deer or sheep legally in Texas. I'd recommend rifled slugs or better yet sabot type slugs and a rifled barrel. You can also take your Desert Eagle and shoot 'em with that. It's certainly plenty of gun for the whitetails.

58 posted on 08/18/2004 11:22:21 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

There's more limits than that of course, but none seem to apply to deer hunting during modern firearm season.


59 posted on 08/18/2004 11:24:07 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Did he hold the 50 cal. like this?

Not without getting a hernia.

60 posted on 08/18/2004 11:37:26 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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