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In Croatia, Explorers Make a Deep Discovery
NY Times ^ | August 17, 2004 | MARK GLASSMAN

Posted on 08/17/2004 9:35:22 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - Earlier this month, as thousands of Olympians trained to compete in Athens, a small team of Croatian cavers set a new benchmark that went largely unnoticed. They found the world's deepest hole.

There was no medal ceremony awaiting Darko Baksic, the expedition leader, or any of his dusty colleagues when they reached the bottom of the 1,693-foot pit. Just a long climb back up.

The pit, which is at the back of a dark cave in the Velebit mountains, southwest of Zagreb, is about 217 feet deeper than the former record holder in Austria known as Hollenhohle.

Sophisticated mapping has left very little room for dumb luck in surface exploration. But maps do not chart what lies beneath the land or the ocean floor.

"I'm not at all surprised that we're still making these sorts of discoveries," said Lisa R. Gaddis, the program chief of the United States Geological Survey's astrogeology team, said, "I think we have perhaps a better global picture of some other terrestrial planets, like Mars, than we have of some of the more remote areas on Earth."

When it comes to caves, noted David E. Smith, chief of NASA's Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics, "we can't see anything from space.'' He added, "You can't really say very much, if anything at all, about below the surface."

The new find is not the deepest cave on Earth. That title still belongs to the Krubera Cave in Abkhazia, which descends 5,130 feet (almost a mile), albeit more steadily, without such a sharp drop.

Cavers define a hole, or pit, as a straight vertical drop, sometimes interrupted by ledges, that is too steep to walk down.

"Until the era of modern speleology, pits often stopped incursions into caves," according to The Atlas of the Great Caves of the World. Today, most pits are explored by shimmying down ropes.

Mr. Baksic's team, which is now converting its field drawings into precise maps for publication, found the record-setting hole while exploring another cavern nearby.

"People don't tend to go and search for these things," Mr. Smith said. "They tend to find them more or less by accident, while exploring."

The underworld remains a kind of last frontier for explorers looking for new discoveries. "It takes a special kind of person who is willing to walk, crawl a mile underground in pitch black," Mr. Smith said.

Cave explorers are among the last amateurs. "For me, it's like a profession," said Andrej Stroj, a member of the team that found the record-setting abyss in Croatia, "but for others, it's mostly a hobby."

Jim Chester, a fellow of the Explorers Club in New York, received the National Speleological Society's highest award for cave exploration last year for his work charting caverns in Montana. But caving does not pay his bills.

"All the stuff I do with caves is on the weekends or vacation," said Mr. Chester, 60. During the week, he is a postman.

The caving society's official list of the world's deepest pits is maintained by Bob Gulden, a Maryland engineer. Mr. Gulden is a member of a local caving club called the Gangsta Mappers, a network of guerrilla cartographers who remap previously explored caves, but with more care and in greater detail.

"Every cave they remap," Mr. Gulden said, "they always find new passage."

Cavers do not have the technology available to scientists like Mr. Smith or Ms. Gaddis.

"You've got to physically do it," Mr. Gulden said. Ground-penetrating radar could detect the presence of an underground cavity, he said, but that equipment is too expensive and impractical for ordinary cavers.

Cavers rely on old tricks to find new caves, like hunting for depressions in the snow or tracing the passage of water through a mountain. Mr. Chester said his group occasionally takes aerial scouting trips in the winter to search for "smoking entrances," or pockets of steam rising from the snow that could indicate warm air rising through a cave system.

"We do not know what the deepest cave on this planet is," Mr. Chester said, "and unless there is some big breakthrough, like a CAT scan for the Earth, we may never know."


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: caves; pits; spelunking
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Darko Baksic
While exploring a cave in Croatia, spelunkers discovered the world's deepest hole, a pit nearly 1,700 feet deep.

1 posted on 08/17/2004 9:35:22 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: fourdeuce82d; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; ...

ping


2 posted on 08/17/2004 9:36:13 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

deepest hole?? what about Mel's Hole?


3 posted on 08/17/2004 9:37:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Viking Kitties have won the GOLD MEDAL in the 2,000 meter ZOTTING)
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To: neverdem

have they found john kerry's military records yet?


4 posted on 08/17/2004 9:38:09 PM PDT by flashbunny (Kerry helped move jobs to china - http://www.flashbunny.org/commentary/kerryoutsourced.html)
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To: neverdem
That aint nothing...

Check out this pie hole.... it can make a nation of 260 million stop and cringe with the utterance of a few words....

5 posted on 08/17/2004 9:41:09 PM PDT by Porterville (Dare to hate that which hurts what you love.)
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To: Porterville

6 posted on 08/17/2004 9:41:39 PM PDT by Porterville (Dare to hate that which hurts what you love.)
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To: neverdem
"You can't really say very much, if anything at all, about below the surface."

Nicely sums up a liberal Democrat.

7 posted on 08/17/2004 9:48:02 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Porterville

LOL


8 posted on 08/17/2004 9:48:04 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Kerry's credibitly is still lower


9 posted on 08/17/2004 9:57:14 PM PDT by John Will
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To: neverdem

Very cool.


10 posted on 08/17/2004 10:00:05 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv

Courtney Love ping


11 posted on 08/17/2004 10:01:42 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: neverdem

...and were promptly devoured by a Balrog.


12 posted on 08/17/2004 10:04:18 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: neverdem

"People don't tend to go and search for these things," Mr. Smith said. "They tend to find them more or less by accident, while exploring."



Well that wouldn't be a fun accident at all.


14 posted on 08/17/2004 11:21:11 PM PDT by DeuceTraveler (Freedom is a never ending struggle)
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To: neverdem
Mr. Baksic's team, which is now converting its field drawings into precise maps for publication, found the record-setting hole while exploring another cavern nearby.

I wonder what one of these maps is like, given that it has to record the 3D twists and turns of the cave in 2D.

15 posted on 08/17/2004 11:58:18 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
I wonder what one of these maps is like, given that it has to record the 3D twists and turns of the cave in 2D.

Think of the contour lines which show elevation on topographic maps. It's just the reverse showing depth below some reference, whether elevation at the surface or with respsect to sea level.

16 posted on 08/18/2004 12:19:31 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Amazing stuff/


17 posted on 08/18/2004 12:44:11 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: neverdem

Way cool, thanks for the ping.


18 posted on 08/18/2004 8:50:19 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: neverdem
I wonder what one of these maps is like, given that it has to record the 3D twists and turns of the cave in 2D.

Think of the contour lines which show elevation on topographic maps. It's just the reverse showing depth below some reference, whether elevation at the surface or with respsect to sea level.

To take a very simple case, suppose there was a deep hole that narrowed and then widened again with greater depth. To do this with contour lines seems like it would be a big mess. One rarely has this problem with hills. Perhaps if there was a separate map for each 100 feet down or something, it would be more tractable.

19 posted on 08/18/2004 9:43:01 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
To take a very simple case, suppose there was a deep hole that narrowed and then widened again with greater depth. To do this with contour lines seems like it would be a big mess.

Then you would have to resort to serial imaging as in CT scans or MRIs.

20 posted on 08/18/2004 12:03:25 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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