Posted on 08/17/2004 11:38:23 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"...Sen. Mark Hatfield of Oregon entered the Winter Soldier transcripts into the Congressional Record
and asked the commandant of the Marine Corps for an investigation of the Marines that testified.
Investigators were unable to confirm or refute the claimed atrocities,
but identified one organizer (Al Hubbard) as never being in combat.
Guenter Lewy in America in Vietnam says
"The results of this investigation, carried out by the Naval Investigative Service
are interesting and revealing ... Many of the veterans, although assured that they
would not be questioned about atrocities they might have committed personally,
refused to be interviewed. One of the active members of the VVAW told investigators
that the leadership had directed the entire membership not to cooperate with military authorities ..."
I knopw, and that's my exact point..to 50% of the electorate, Vietnam is like WW II...it's history..it doesn't resoate..but, in the context of all the other stuff Kerry's sitting on....we can make the case that he's hiding a lot..
A buddy of mine was in RVN '64-66, on a C-130. One of his duties was picking up wounded and dead. He sat by many a man whose last sight was his face and holding his hand trying to comfort them. He lost 2 medics trying to treat VC who were booby-trapped. He had the misfortune to pick up his 1st cousin's remains (they had enlisted together). His cousin had been repeatedly stabbed and gutted. He showed me his name on the Wall this year.
Kerry is hoping enough of us forget his treason. I won't.
In the event Kerry does win this election. We should press for him to be tried for treason and war crimes. That would force his records to be opened.
For America's sake, and those who gave their all that he slandered.
This action destroyed the morale of the POW's who were tortured with film footage of his and hanoi jane's speeches. It provied aid and comfort to the enemy.
He lied under oath to congress about war crimes that never happened, smearing the rest of his Band of Brothers as baby killers and rapist. He failed to report the plan to assassinate several sitting US Congressmen to the proper authorities.
He met in Paris with the enemy.
He has a 20 year history of failing to support the military. He voted against most of the modern weapons systems in use today, he voted against military pay raises, he voted against Veterans health care.
Last of all but not least is his NO vote to fund our Troops in Iraq, the $87 Billion which funded kevlar vest and armor for their humvees. Included in that $87 Billion was $1.3 Billion in Veterans health care and relief from concurrent receipt situation. The Vet health care item was in the Washington Times article about the 21 medal of honor winners supporting Dubya.
He also skipped voting to fund the latest defense budget which provided more money for our Troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, because he and edwards were to busy campaigning.
For the past 20 years he has a history of 351 tax hike votes including Clinton's tax on Social Security income. His latest tax hike vote was on 3/10/04 for $1.8 Billion. And his 20 years of gutting the 2nd amendment. And a 20 year history of voting against the Unborn.
Now he thinks he can fool us into thinking he's a moderate who is strong on defense with the phony act he's been putting on.
Kerry's running on the Vietnam war myths that he helped to create. So yeah, there IS a lot he's sitting on. Add his senate record to it, and we have a home run.
Thanks..great job on the ones I omittedd..but we have to find a way to boil it down to a "Top 10" list..and they have to be short, ..you wanna try..?
It amazes me that they thought we would forget. Do they really think that a mere 30 years is enough to erase the memory of what he did from our minds? No. Nothing can take away what he did.
But we have to find a way to distill it to a concise message...look, I've seen O'Neill, the SBV book guy, on the tube at least a dozen times..he's a great American...but each time he starts his story, he goes into arcane nd minute, though very factual data....what he needs is an opening statement, a "mission statement", if you will, that plays well oin the media because it grabs everyone's attention....something like..."I, and 200+ member of the Swift Boat squadron decided that we had to get these facts to the American people, because in our opinion , Joh Kerry is NOT FIT to be commander in chief.."..that's it, and you keep on hittin it, like Lanny Davis keeps saying that none of these guys were ON the boat with Kerry...that's HOW the game is played..
Kerry then quietly killed the Viet Nam Human Rights Act, linking non-humanitarian aid to Hanoi to progress on human rights issues, in the Senate Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs, which he ALSO happened to chair, by immediately blocking a senate floor vote on it. He forced noramlized trade relations with Hanoi through without that commonsense check on the balance of power in Vietnam and won some really fat contracts for some of his close relatives in the process.
The man has a PATTERN of treasonous behaviour that spans DECADES and continues to this day. WHY will nobody ever listen??
HIS:
Anti war actions destroyed POW morale. Provided aid and comfort to the enemy. He met in Paris with the enemy. Lied under oath to congress about imaginary war crimes. Smearing ALL other service members as baby killers and rapist.
20 year history of failing to support the military. Voting against most of the modern weapons systems in use today, against military pay raises, against Veterans health care.
His YES vote to go to war, then his NO vote to fund our Troops in Iraq who are fighting that war. That same $87 Billion funded kevlar vest and armor for humvees. Included in that was $1.3 Billion in Veterans health care and relief from concurrent receipt situation. (Washington Times)
He skipped voting to fund the latest defense budget which provided more money for our Troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, because he and edwards were to busy campaigning.
20 years history of tax hike votes including Clinton's tax on Social Security income. His latest tax hike vote was on 3/10/04 for $1.8 Billion.
20 years of gutting the 2nd amendment.
20 year history of voting against the Unborn.
Now he thinks he can fool us into thinking he's a moderate who is strong on defense with the phony act he's been putting on.
YOu first ahve to add the things I mention, then say it ALL in l/4 the number of words...
The Swift Boat Vets for Truth HAVE a mission statement and it's on the site. O'Neill is only answering the attacks being thrown at him from all sides by the Kerry-loving media. As far as I can tell, he's doing a darned fair job of it too.
It is impossible to fit 35 - or more - years of documentably sociopathic behavior into a 10 word soundbyt that'll illicit the proper Pavlovian response from the indoctrinated. That is not our mission...or their mission: I'm not a swift boat vet. The mission is the truth. There are a damned lot of us.
We will never forgive what John Kerry has done, we will never forget, and we will keep on telling the truth until people start BELIEVING IT. It's been a quest of decades for most of us, including me. However, it's impossible to get all those decades of hurt and cold rage into a short, campaign-slogan-like chant. In fact, it's improper and disrespectful to those we've lost.
Yes the very same meeting. There is a also information that is out aht Kerry may have been withthe VVAW for 1-2 years longer thatn he has admitted to inthe past. Keep in mind that he has changed his "I quit" date a couple of times when confornted with the truth.
One more little point I find it interesting that Kerry claims to have been fired at by the Khmer Rouge but I think the the truth is that the Khmer Rouge did not come into being until after Kerry had left Vietnam, maybe mid 70's'ish.
I got in a stab about his hair cut this morning at my quilt guild. One of our members is a retired hair dresser. She found it outrageous. She said any compent stylist could give a trim to any head of hair.
Maybe I'm just being terminally optimistic as usual, but I'd like to believe that the coverage of people like Rush and Hannity and Fox News is having an effect. Not an immediate, noticable effect like you'd get with a bomb. More like the slow accumulation effect you get with the rising tide. It isn't immediately noticable, but the water is no lower and you're no less stranded until it goes back out.
I didn't mean to sound like I was giving you orders, or instructions..I wasn't..I WAS trying to makethe point that I believe there's a devastating message against Kerry that just needs to be packaged properly.. I feel like Cary GRant in "Mr. Blandings Builds his Dream House"..I can't find the "right" message..
Right, while he was still on active duty in the military. There's eyewitness evidence he was actively antiwar after he got out of 'Nam and some written testimony - Kerry's - that he was actively part of the antiwar movement even while he was pulling men from the water, rasing villiages and shooting mortally wounded, fleeing enemies in the back during that BUSY 4 months.
"One more little point I find it interesting that Kerry claims to have been fired at by the Khmer Rouge but I think the the truth is that the Khmer Rouge did not come into being until after Kerry had left Vietnam, maybe mid 70's'ish."
I caught that tidbit too and commented on it. Not only did the Khmer come into being after Kerry left Vietnam, he also implied they were "allies". Freudian slip??
They spent 45 minutes discussing it on Scarboro last night. The follow-on guest, Robert Reish, went berserk because Scarboro did that. Scarboro said it was because none of the MSM was covering it.
However, Scarboro should have shut up the RAT shrill who was filibustering the time. If he said once "John McCain said blah blah and blah" he said it at least 4 times.
I notice John McCain has kept his mouth shut about this now also. Shut up McCain, you weren't a Swift Vet and you have no dog in this fight.
Thanks for the ping!
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