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1 posted on 08/15/2004 9:05:42 AM PDT by BraveMan
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Esprit de corps has evaporated. Last year, wearing a uniform at official Scout events became optional. Scoutmasters were deprived of the authority to demand the wearing of uniforms. "It's time to stop bickering about the clothes we wear," said Ms. Bonita Brick, chair of the National Scouts Youth Committee that handed down the uniform decision. "Accept the reality of change."

Boy Scouting's doom was sealed when they allowed women and girlie-men into positions of authority

137 posted on 08/15/2004 12:21:19 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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BTTT!

For the record, I think "atheist" children SHOULD be admitted to the Boy Scouts, for their own good ... exposure to the Scouting program in the company of religious adults and youth could help them to grow out of the delusion of atheism.


144 posted on 08/15/2004 12:34:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The fearsome, FReepin' , frumpish, fundamentalist frau ...)
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The picture the article paints is not complete. Scouts Canada has become a very PC group of idiots, but individual troops do not have to share in the idiocy. The sponsor of a troop has the right to set rules such as restricting membership in the troop to only boys, and to set a moral standard for membership in the troop (both for boys and leaders).

My church sponsors the 78th Ottawa Troop. It's all boys, Scout leaders must be practicing church members, we require them to wear the uniform, and the troop is doing well. It's the non-church sponsored troops that are dropping like flies.


155 posted on 08/15/2004 1:01:45 PM PDT by Grig
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The picture the article paints is not complete. Scouts Canada has become a very PC group of idiots, but individual troops do not have to share in the idiocy. The sponsor of a troop has the right to set rules such as restricting membership in the troop to only boys, and to set a moral standard for membership in the troop (both for boys and leaders).

My church sponsors the 78th Ottawa Troop. It's all boys, Scout leaders must be practicing church members, we require them to wear the uniform, and the troop is doing well. It's the non-church sponsored troops that are dropping like flies.


156 posted on 08/15/2004 1:01:45 PM PDT by Grig
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THERE IS A REASON WHY THE ONE TRUE LIVING LORD GOD ALMIGHTY *AND* THE VARIOUS MAJOR RELIGIONS CALL HOMOSEXUALITY AN ABOMINATION!

Now the civilized world is remembering why.

It's a sign of a degenerate society when accepting perversion and murder of innocents as norm...Canada is only a couple trillion dollars and 10-15 years ahead of America.


245 posted on 08/15/2004 2:34:59 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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They are selling 300 acres for $30,000? That is Canadian money right? What is that, about $5 US?

Where can I get in on this deal?


295 posted on 08/15/2004 3:26:21 PM PDT by Chewbacca (John Kerry is such a smeghead.)
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Sadly, Canada is starting to go the way of the Canadian Boy Scouts.


312 posted on 08/15/2004 4:02:40 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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Sadly, Canada is starting to go the way of the Canadian Boy Scouts.


313 posted on 08/15/2004 4:02:40 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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Freedom of association is the key idea here. People have the right to associate with those they choose, excluding others. It's irrelevant whether the government agrees or not.


315 posted on 08/15/2004 4:08:09 PM PDT by Tax Government (Citizen of the United SOVEREIGN States of America (a federation, not an empire))
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ping


356 posted on 08/15/2004 8:24:23 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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INTREP


361 posted on 08/15/2004 8:48:08 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America)
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Acceptance of females in Scouting, both as youth and adults, is no contradiction of the principles of Scouting, is done successfully in Scouting around the world, and is being done successfully in the BSA (Venturing, ages 14-21 co-ed, is the BSA's fastest-growing traditional program).

Acceptance of homosexuals in Scouting is not addressed directly in the principles of Scouting. The majority of people feel that it is addressed by the religious and morality requirments of Scouting, but there is not unanimity on this and many Scouting movements (such as the BSA) accept homosexuals as long as they do not use the Scouting movement to advertise their own sexuality or to promote it.

However, acceptance of atheists contradicts the founding principles of Scouting and the charters of both the WOSM and the WAGGGS. Both organizations (the BSA is a member of the former; the GSUSA is a member of the latter) require that their member organizations in turn require their own members to acknowledge that there is a spiritual side to life and powers beyond the material plane that they need to acknowledge a duty to. It is suspected by many that the GSUSA is in violation of this, but they make up about 1/2 the membership of the WAGGGS. If Scouts Canada are accepting atheists, they are in violation of this as well.

And if Scouts Canada is accepting openly homosexual people as members, as well as transsexuals, etc., then they are quite simply presenting a program that is not attractive to their target audience or said audience's parents. Even if they are right, they will end up dead right.


373 posted on 08/16/2004 8:25:18 AM PDT by RonF
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Interesting on two levels. First, the correlation between Canada Scouting falling levels of interest and membership when their standards are diluted to be all things to all people. Second, the amount of effort directed by a couple of posters to deflect the clear meaning which is, without standards or core principles (discriminatory or not), organizations like Scouting will fail in their mission of serving the community.

Thanks for posting. For the purposes of disclosure, I've been a Scout since I was 7 and am now a Scoutmaster of a BSA troop with my two sons.


377 posted on 08/16/2004 9:54:41 AM PDT by mgc1122
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