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1 posted on 08/15/2004 6:12:21 AM PDT by Pikamax
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The group has come under fierce counterattack by critics who say that the men featured in the ad did not serve directly with Kerry and that their charges are refuted by extensive military records and numerous eyewitnesses closer to the action than the group members.

Then there should be no problem for Mr. Heinz Kerry to file Form SF-180 and realease his military personnel record to the public.

We're waiting...

2 posted on 08/15/2004 6:19:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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Many members date their anger at Kerry to his anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam, saying he slandered veterans.

What is the media's agenda? It's certainly NOT trying to find out whether or not what the SBV say is true!

If the focus is put on Vets are PO'd about Kerry "activities" after he returned home Kerry is winning the PR.

Right now Kerry is w/o a doubt winning the PR.

3 posted on 08/15/2004 6:22:11 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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Mention of a bowling alley that wasn't there. No mention of Cambodia, Nixon, or Johnson. Is the Dallas Morning News playing down Kerry's problems?
5 posted on 08/15/2004 6:26:06 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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Not even a whispered mention of Kerry's blatant "Christmas In Cambodia" lie already having been concretely and crushingly demolished.

*Sigh*. Welcome to Seattle, gang: where the two daily papers run the entire gamut from liberal to despotic socialist, and back again. :-/

6 posted on 08/15/2004 6:26:18 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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I didn't know hanoi john rescued sandusky too? Click here
7 posted on 08/15/2004 6:27:33 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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No mention of the Cambodia lie. Figures.


8 posted on 08/15/2004 6:27:47 AM PDT by Fifth Business
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Notice how their is nothing in the story about the motivation of the pro-Kerry veterans. Nothing about how they are being PAID to participate in the campaign and are being put up in high dollar accomodations. And how most of them are Democrats to begin with.


9 posted on 08/15/2004 6:28:36 AM PDT by John Thornton
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No matter how many rocks the media throws at the Swifties, notice that they won't run the ad. One reason is they don't want it to get any free exposure, but IMHO, I think the ad is so effective it scares the. The media definitely doesn't want the ad judged on its face.


11 posted on 08/15/2004 6:29:09 AM PDT by Spok
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and Kerry's campaign calls O'Neill a pawn of the Republican Party for more than three decades.

If O'Neill is a Republican pawn,Then what is JFnK?


12 posted on 08/15/2004 6:29:56 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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There is no doubt that the DNC, RNC and the press all know the Swiftboat Veterans speak the truth. But everybody is busy playing their own strategeries.

Bush and the RNC are taking the high road of the campaign - because they know they have a strong hand in presenting the positive aspects of his presidency - and they don't want to be seen as denigrating the service of a veteran (no matter HOW dishonorable), since this may be perceived as a low blow by the barely-informed but all-important swing voter. However, he will not undercut the Swiftboat Vets by condemning their charges, since he knows they speak the truth about Kerry, and he also knows that the vets will be much more effective, if they lead an independent grass-roots effort to illuminate this cockroach of a candidate.

The DNC 'Rats and media also know Kerry is a pompous, lying blowhard. But they think of Kerry as a Lenin, a Che Guevara, or a Mao Tse Tung. They are willing to forgive any lie, any failing, any crime (read Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton), to elect a person they think will be capable of leading them to their promised "progressive" land. So they also ignore the substance of the charges made by the Swiftboat Veterans.

Ahhh, but the 'Rats have a problem with this approach. This ain't their Daddy's airtight Goebbels machine. Fighting yesterday's propaganda battles don't cut it no more. The internet is leaking the truth like a sieve, and their failure to address it leaves their 'Rat followers with no pack of lies to counter these devastingly documented accusations.

So, like the 5 year-olds they are, they come whining to Daddy-President, demanding he tell everybody that Kerry isn't a liar, a fraud, and a charlatan. Bush rightly ignores the request, as well as the smashed cookie jar and the crumbs all over the bum's face.

And what about Fox News? Fox News is currently in a very confused phase. There is no question that they have achieved their success by gathering conservatives disgusted with the mainstream media, who tuned in to hear the news presented in a less blatantly leftist fashion. But, being a victim of its own success, it now wants to jump to the next level of mainstream-tivity. And what does that call for? Being a little more like the Goebbels machine. Ignore the truth a little more. Parrot some fashionable lies. Pose as more circumspect about the relative merits of the Weimar Republic versus Nazism. There are two sides to every issue, eh? Good plan, Fox. We can tune you out too. We still have the internet - and we can also re-annoint another outlet that has the courage to present the substantial and obvious truth.


13 posted on 08/15/2004 6:30:43 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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"Van O'Dell, a gunner aboard another swift boat said that as the patrol passed a fishing weir across the Bay Hop River, another boat hit a mine. O'Dell said he fired "a couple of hundred rounds" from a machine gun but did not see return fire. Two others who commanded other swift boats that day, Larry Thurlow and Jack Chenoweth, supported his version."

Three said there was no return fire from Charlie.

" ... in a telephone interview last week from Clearwater, Fla., Del Sandusky, the driver of Kerry's boat that day, was asked about O'Dell's quote.

"That's a lie," he said. "I saw the gun flashes shooting at us from the shore. I saw the rounds hitting the water. O'Dell is full of crap."

Well one thing is certain ... someone is lying!

Shall we convene a meeting with the lie detector?

Be sure to bring them all, Vietnam hero Kerry, including the stallwart, invisible man ... David Alston.

14 posted on 08/15/2004 6:32:04 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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Kerry's Silver Star -- the military's third-highest award for heroism in combat -- was awarded for his actions on Feb. 28, 1969, when he beached his boat, went after a Viet Cong guerrilla who was carrying a rocket launcher and fatally shot him.

The anti-Kerry group claims the guerrilla actually was a wounded boy, who was shot in the back while fleeing -- a charge that first surfaced during Kerry's 1996 Senate campaign. Several of Kerry's crewmembers, along with the late Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, came to Kerry's defense at that time.

This artilce misses, completely, the point of contention. The point of contention has nothing to do with whether the VC shot was a boy, shot in the back, shot by Kerry or not. Nothing. That point is IRRELEVANT.

The relevant point is the number of VC firing on the flotilla when Kerry gave the order to beach. The Silver Star was awarded on the basis of engaging a numerically superior enemy. The citation letter says so. The people who were there say otherwise.

16 posted on 08/15/2004 6:33:31 AM PDT by Cboldt
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Kerry's Silver Star — the military's third-highest award for heroism in combat — was awarded for his actions on Feb. 28, 1969, when he beached his boat, went after a Viet Cong guerrilla who was carrying a rocket launcher and fatally shot him.

How about trying fourth-highest. If the writer had said The Silver Star is the third highest military award designated solely for heroism in combat. he or she would have been correct.

The Distinguished Service Medal, higher in precedence than the Silver Star, is awarded for both combat valor and non-combat services of exceptionally meritorious service to the government in a position of great responsibility.

17 posted on 08/15/2004 6:33:33 AM PDT by hflynn
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During WW11 my Father served on a destroyer. One of the missions of his destroyer was to rescue downed fliers. Because there were too many injures and it took too much time to drop a boat over the side, swimmers were used. My Father was a good swimmer so they tied a rope around his waist and he jumped from the waist of the ship and rescued fliers.

Years later before his death, I tried to get him a medal. In the Navy there is a rescue medal. I got a copy of the ship's log describing my Father rescue of a downed flier. (It was available at a ship's reunion)and submitted it to a Naval reserve captain that had the power to recommend medals.

He declined to recommend a medal because, as he stated, my Father was just performing a standard operating procedure (SOP).

He also receive paint fragments in his leg from the concussion of a near miss. I asked him about a possible Purple Heart. He was incredulous. For that little scratch?he said and laughed.
20 posted on 08/15/2004 6:51:48 AM PDT by PolishProud (A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants)
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Just a teeny item, but a few months ago, Kerry boosted his ability to command by claiming to have been Officer of the Deck on a ship with "nuclear weapons." This must have been the Gridley. Were guided missile frigates nuclear-armed? Or was the Gridley ferrying nukes to the carriers off VM? If the latter, did Kerry reveal information that may still be classified today?


21 posted on 08/15/2004 6:53:13 AM PDT by Original Kamaaina
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This article is By The Dallas Morning News and St. Louis Post-Dispatch and, to my surprise, seems not overly antagonistic toward the SBVT. In fact, it even mentions research done by reporters of the liberals' hallowed Boston Globe that seems not to refute an SBVT claim that embarrasses Kerry. That's not an outright affirmation, but it is still interesting, coming from the liberal Dallas Morning News.

Moreover, the article appeared in major papers in Dallas, St, Louis, and Seattle. Those are mainstream papers, aren't they? Again, to my surprise (and my gratification) the SBVT book and protest, and coverage of return fire (so to speak), is not being blacked out completely.

The legs may be growing in length and strength...

24 posted on 08/15/2004 7:07:31 AM PDT by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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