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1 posted on 08/13/2004 3:36:49 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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WOW!! rassman must be in a sweat!!


2 posted on 08/13/2004 3:39:16 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Jewels1091

I hadn't heard this before either. Also, if Kerry's boat was hit by a mine (as Rassman claims) why didn't his boat have any damage?


3 posted on 08/13/2004 3:39:41 PM PDT by Rokke
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Hells Bells, was sKerry even on the boat?


5 posted on 08/13/2004 3:41:04 PM PDT by Founding Father
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Kerry asked for this...."Lt. War Hero." And we still haven't begun to discuss his 20 years as a do-nothing liberal in the Senate.


6 posted on 08/13/2004 3:41:08 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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I thought Rassmann was on the boat that hit a mine, not kerrys.

Actually that goes against the democrats "they weren't in Kerrys boat" argument because it shows that other boats were right there.


7 posted on 08/13/2004 3:41:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Here, bite down on this.)
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Rassman's on the record with different stories. In all versions, however, he spends most of his time on the bottom of the river hoping to avoid being run over by one of our boats. So he was in no position to no whether or not there was any enemy fire.


9 posted on 08/13/2004 3:42:57 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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Was Rassmann even on Kerry's Boat?

Rassman was definitely on Kerry's boat after Kerry pulled him out of the water, that much is uncontested.

11 posted on 08/13/2004 3:43:56 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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I heard Jim Angle's report on that. It is very curious. One would think they knew whether they were on the boat together or on separate boats.

More and more it appears that much of Kerry's Viet Nam/Cambodia experience may have been fabricated. Kerry is going to have to address these variations. Sending out his mouthpieces with differing versions of the stories just won't do.

Someone posted yesterday that Tony Snow had counted 9 different versions of the Christmas in Cambodia story from the Kerry camp.


12 posted on 08/13/2004 3:44:10 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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"Senator Kerry, where did you go and when did you know it?"
13 posted on 08/13/2004 3:44:31 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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We had a discussion on this the other day. See One Boat or Two?

Kerry's Bronze Star citation indicates that the man he rescued was knocked off of his boat - Kerry's Bronze Star

14 posted on 08/13/2004 3:45:42 PM PDT by itsnevertoolate
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Wasn't this the incident that the other Swift Boaters said Kerry's boat ran away, then came back a short time later, after the other boats were in process of rescuing 3 others who were in the water?


16 posted on 08/13/2004 3:46:12 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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He was near Kerry's boat.
17 posted on 08/13/2004 3:46:17 PM PDT by gubamyster
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O'Dell said Rassman fell off Kerry's boat when Kerry revved up the engine to flee the scene after the mine blew up Boat No. 3.


19 posted on 08/13/2004 3:46:37 PM PDT by motife
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go to this thread for more on Kerry's lies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1191162/posts


20 posted on 08/13/2004 3:46:42 PM PDT by PurpleHeartHaze
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Page 106,  John F Kerry, The Official Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best:
 
"Rasmussen's swift boat was following Kerry's, in a flotilla of 5 cruising a narrow canal.  Rasmussen was eating a chocolate chip cookie in the pilothouse, when his craft was rocked by an explosion."
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From the Patriot News http://pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf? /base/news/109110480797670.xml

Rassmann, a former Green Beret, remembered sitting on the deck of the pilothouse of Kerry's boat, eating a chocolate-chip cookie, when an explosion under a nearby boat blew him into the Bay Hap River and caused Kerry to smash his arm.

Rassmann said he instinctively swam to the bottom of the river to avoid being run over by the escaping Swift boats. But every time he came up for air, the enemy shot at him. He swam for the north bank, expecting to be captured and probably executed.

After five or six dives, Rassmann said, he looked up and saw Kerry's boat coming back for him. He met the boat at the center of the river and then grabbed a heavy net made of rope hanging over the bow. He climbed the arch of the bow, but could not pull himself over the lip.

That, he said, is when Kerry came running.

"Kerry dropped to his hands and knees ... and pulled me aboard," Rassmann said. "The fighting continued until we got out of the kill zone, and we managed to get out to the Gulf of Siam."

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In Aug. 10, 2004 Wall Street Journal editorial by Rassman:

"While returning from a SEA LORDS operation along the Bay Hap River, a mine detonated under another swift boat. Machine-gun fire erupted from both banks of the river, and a second explosion followed moments later. The second blast blew me off John's swift boat, PCF-94, throwing me into the river. Fearing that the other boats would run me over, I swam to the bottom of the river and stayed there as long as I could hold my breath."

Kerry campaign press release:

"On March 13, 1969, Rassmann, a Green Beret, was traveling down the Bay Hap river in a boat behind Kerry’s when both were ambushed by exploding land mines and enemy fire coming from the shore. Kerry was hit in the arm, while a mine blew Rassmann’s boat out of the water. With enemy fire coming from both sides of the river and swift boats evacuating from the area, Kerry’s crew chose to turn their boat toward the ambush to save Rassmann."

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Since Rassman says he is the one who put Kerry in for a citation (he wanted him to get a Silver Star, he says), this is account from the medal's write up came from him:
 
"While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated close aboard his Inshore Patrol Craft knocking a man into the water and wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the box, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard."
 
But in other accounts even from Rassman, Kerry wasn't bleeding. He had bruised his arm. And as you know from the book, there was no report of enemy fire.
 
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Brinkley actually encompasses both accounts by having Rassman fall off both the boat that hit the mine (PCF-3) AND Kerry's boat, when a second mine detonates:

http://www.thehistorynet.com/ah/blkerryinvietnam/index2.html

...a mine exploded directly beneath Lieutenant James Rassman's PCF-3 near Kerry's port side. Rassman's Swift lifted about two feet up out of the water, engulfed in mud and spray, then settled, rocking so hard from side to side that the boat started zigzagging from the banks to the middle of the river. Everybody on board PCF-3 was wounded. "At the same moment, we came under a hail of small-arms fire from both banks," Kerry recorded in his journal. "I turned the boat into the fire on the left with the intention of trying to get the troops ashore on the outskirts of the ambush, but Sandusky, who was driving the boat and who had his eyes glued on the crippled 3 boat, pointed out to me how badly hit they had been. We veered back toward her then and tried to provide cover from the engaged side. Suddenly another explosion went off right beside us, and the concussion threw me violently against the bulkhead on the door, and I smashed my arm. At the same instant, Jim Rassman was blown overboard, although nobody knew it. "

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On the subject of Rassman's credibility. Here he is on his party affiliation:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128269,00.html

"Hannity & Colmes," August 5, 2004:

[excerpt]

ESTRICH: Mr. Rassman, can I ask you a question? You're not a Democrat, are you?

RASSMAN: I turned Democrat in January. Previous to that, I had been a Republican for 33, 35 years. I didn't always vote Republican. But much of the time, I did.

Compare with:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005460

BY JIM RASSMANN
Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

Nobody asked me to join John's campaign. Why would they? I am a Republican, and for more than 30 years I have largely voted for Republicans.

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And speaking of credibility, in this eulogy it suddenly becomes Kerry's boat that got blown up:

Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed
in the Record the text of the eulogy I gave for my friend, Thomas
M. Belodeau, on November 10, 1997.

There was the time we were carrying Special Forces
up a river and a mine exploded under our boat sending it 2
feet into the air. We were receiving incoming rocket and small
arms fire and Tommy was returning fire with his M-60 machine gun
when it literally broke apart in his hands. He was left holding
the pieces unable to fire back while one of the Green Berets
walked along the edge of the boat to get Tommy another M-60. As he
was doing so, the boat made a high speed turn to starboard and the
Green Beret kept going--straight into the river. The entire time
while the boat went back to get the Green Beret, Tommy was without
a machine gun or a weapon of any kind, but all the time he was
hurling the greatest single string of Lowell-Chelmsford curses
ever heard at the Viet Cong. He literally had swear words with
tracers on them! 
 
Congressional Record: January 28, 1998 (Senate) Page S186-S187

 

 


22 posted on 08/13/2004 3:47:42 PM PDT by Blue Pencil
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Sheesh, seems Kerry's got some ducks he needs put in a row.


23 posted on 08/13/2004 3:48:14 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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Oh my, that was a long time ago memories fade, was Kerry in Viet Nam?


24 posted on 08/13/2004 3:48:32 PM PDT by boomop1
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If he wasn't on the same boat then, by rat definition, they did not serve together.

Fair is fair.


25 posted on 08/13/2004 3:48:57 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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Who was the man in Theresa's boat...?


26 posted on 08/13/2004 3:49:15 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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I wonder whether Rassmann has been promised some position in a Kerry Administration as the reason for his continuing defense of Kerry.


27 posted on 08/13/2004 3:49:18 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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