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Major embarrassment (for the Canadian Military, thanks to Ottawa)
The Halifax Herald ^ | August 13, 2004 | Stephen Thorne

Posted on 08/13/2004 7:17:39 AM PDT by NorthOf45

Major embarrassment - Canadian soldiers frustrated at having to abandon Afghan trainees due to delay on Ottawa's part

By Stephen Thorne / The Canadian Press The Halifax Herald Limited Friday, August 13, 2004

KABUL - In what they see as a blow to their credibility in Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have to abandon the Afghan army battalion they trained for more than seven months, just as it deploys, because of a delay in Ottawa.

Soldiers from Valcartier, Que., and, more recently, Edmonton have been nurturing bonds with the 4th Kandak, or battalion, of the Afghan National Army since last winter.

They were to accompany their trainees on their first two-month deployment but had to inform them on Thursday - the day they were supposed to leave on a reconnaissance mission - that American troops would be going instead.

"The past three or four days have probably been the most embarrassing I've ever had in my career," a veteran member of the Canadian embedded training team told The Canadian Press. "Our vehicle was packed and ready to go.

"Trust is now gone," said the soldier, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The Americans are pissed off. The ANA guys were ecstatic that Canada was going with them; you could see it in their faces. Now they're crushed.

"There is serious disappointment. These guys work off of respect, honour, loyalty and we're turning around and saying 'We don't respect you, we're no longer loyal.' A black mark is an understatement."

Defence Minister Bill Graham was expected to sign an agreement last week committing Canadian army trainers to Afghanistan through 2008, the first long-term undertaking Ottawa has made to the war-ravaged country.

The deal would also permit the Canadians to leave the NATO operations area around Kabul on extended deployments with their trainees.

However, officials in the Prime Minister's Office and in the office of the deputy chief of defence staff have delayed the signing, forcing the 16-member training team to adopt a new battalion that will remain in Kabul through Afghanistan's Oct. 9 presidential election.

Ironically, Kabul is expected to be more dangerous than the region to which they were to have deployed, soldiers said.

After the reconnaissance mission, members of Edmonton's 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, were expecting to move with their trainees by Sunday. However, the battalion the Canadians have been training since last winter was turned over to a U.S. officer Thursday.

It is at least the fourth time since last September that Canadians have been forced to abandon their trainees before a deployment, frustrating the Americans, who are in charge of the program, and forcing them - in this case at least - to make last-minute plans.

The sergeant-major of the 4th Kandak, Asadullah Barkzai, was disappointed at the news, delivered by the new embedded training team commander, Maj. Brian Hynes of Comox, B.C., Thursday morning.

"It is very bad news for us," said Barkzai. "They trained us very well and we would like to stay with them. Unfortunately, the Canadian government won't allow them to stay with us.

"It hurt a lot. We were a team. We didn't think of them like Canadians and we are Afghan. We were one, working as a team. It is very hard for us that they are leaving."

"There are obviously requests for Canadians to assist in training all over," said the new Canadian contingent commander, Col. Jim Ellis. "The senior leadership of the military and the government are looking at that. They have all the paperwork right now.

"We should hear one way or the other later on. However, it doesn't mean our commitment to the forces here in town is going to change. It's a bit tough for our guys because they've taken their troops to this point."

Small groups of Canadian soldiers have been embedded with Afghan and U.S. troops since last fall, training two battalions. Several Canadian-trained ANA units have since been involved in heavy fighting south of Kabul.

"The whole team was very frustrated" by previous roadblocks to missions with the trainees, Maj. Sylvain Rheaume, the Quebec-based officer who commanded the training group for six months, said last week.

"We have trained these soldiers to do a job and when it was time to do the real stuff, we were not allowed to be with them. We developed a really good relationship and trust and it was very, very difficult to let them go."

The long-awaited deal with the U.S. military and Afghan government would "repackage and redefine a whole new mandate custom-made for this work," Col. Alain Tremblay, Ellis's predecessor, said July 27.

Tremblay said training a national army and breaking the 1,400-year dominance of Afghanistan's warlord culture is probably the most critical element of the country's reconstruction.

"No central government will be able to survive in such an environment without the proper institutions - the judicial, the military," he said.

"It took us six to eight months to . . . convince Ottawa of the strategic value and return investment of getting into that initiative."

Until now, Canada's role in the U.S.-led training program has been ad hoc, based solely on Ottawa's relatively short-term commitments to NATO's International Security Assistance Force in Kabul.

However, the program, which aims to train the first 70,000 ANA troops, is independent from NATO and its Canadian Operation Athena. Called Operation Archer, it is only the second time Canada has been involved in large-scale training of a foreign military force; Sierra Leone was the other.

"It's not a short-term commitment," Tremblay said. "It takes a long time to bring them to a proper and decent level of efficiency as a modern military force.

"You cannot think that you can be playing at this on a six-month to six-month basis. It cannot work that way."

Just under 15,000 soldiers are so far enrolled with the Afghan National Army, which is slowly shoring up its numbers as the country's disarmament, demobilization and reintegration program retires regional militias.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; canada; canadianmilitary; canadiantroops; ottawa; waronterror
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Another prime example of the Canadian Military taking a hit, courtesy of Ottawa.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, you can criticize our lib government all you want. However, our military does an excellent job with what they are given.

1 posted on 08/13/2004 7:17:40 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

yup, Political Correctness F~cks up good people again.


2 posted on 08/13/2004 7:20:11 AM PDT by prophetic (Dems investigate for pre 9/11intel - but now we've LOTS of Intel and they claim politics)
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To: NorthOf45

Canada has a military? What for? Their butts are protected by that neighbor to the south.


3 posted on 08/13/2004 7:21:32 AM PDT by cwiz24
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To: NorthOf45

All Canada needs is a one-man army consisting of one man in a jeep who is fluent in French and English who has a rifle he can't fire. So he may not be good at defending the country but he projects a sound multi-cultural image. Priorities matter - Canada will have the best politically correct military in the world.


4 posted on 08/13/2004 7:22:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NorthOf45; Clive

Yet more good news from our brilliant Masters in Ottawa.


5 posted on 08/13/2004 7:27:07 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: NorthOf45

I guess this is what sensitive war-fighting looks like.


6 posted on 08/13/2004 7:33:00 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: cwiz24

You gotta do better than that ... rookie. ;)


7 posted on 08/13/2004 7:33:28 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: goldstategop

If the libs had THEIR way.


8 posted on 08/13/2004 7:34:11 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: 68skylark

Do you see what we have to put up with. Best of luck to Bush in Nov.


9 posted on 08/13/2004 7:35:00 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: 68skylark

You just nailed it.


10 posted on 08/13/2004 7:35:26 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: NorthOf45
However, our military does an excellent job with what they are given.

Agree ... Canadian military may be small but is very professional. Government functionaries in Ottawa need to stop taking their lead from the totally incompetent gang that infest the U.N. in New York.

11 posted on 08/13/2004 7:35:57 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: NorthOf45

Back off with the Canadian troop bashing, people. I served along-side Canadian units - they are good to go.

Its their government thats screwed.

Semper Fidelis


12 posted on 08/13/2004 7:36:10 AM PDT by Fenris6
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It follows the lib mantra of "Canadian soldiers are peacekeepers". What a crock.


13 posted on 08/13/2004 7:36:35 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

LOL...pot, meet kettle.


14 posted on 08/13/2004 7:38:18 AM PDT by cwiz24
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To: cwiz24; All

The Canadian Military has been a huge help with the conflict in Afghanistan since October 2001. It is a shame their leftist govt continues to do whatever they can to discredit their own military.


15 posted on 08/13/2004 7:41:20 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: NorthOf45

Thank God at least that Canada still has Men willing and able to go into Harms way to protect the lives and freedoms of others.

Now ya'll just need to get those boys home and go clean out the REAL enemy.

You're own Govt.


16 posted on 08/13/2004 7:43:04 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: headsonpikes; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; coteblanche; Ryle; albertabound; mitchbert; ...
This one was not just frustrating, it was infuriating.

Our people do an outstanding job on whatever task that they are assigned but they get sabotaged at every turn by the Liberals.

This kind of embarrassment is totally undeserved.

17 posted on 08/13/2004 7:58:49 AM PDT by Clive
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To: NorthOf45

"These guys work off of respect, honour, loyalty ..."

This is something our government knows NOTHING about.


18 posted on 08/13/2004 8:02:49 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Yeah but we have amazing Gay Pride parades (funded by the CDN gov't!) and amazing welfare services. Day care? second to none!! Military support? Third world standards!! That's right Canda has its priorities figured out.

America I am sorry to tell you but we as a nation only give lip service to helping out. We are a small country with a small mindset. I am ashamed of being Canadian!!


19 posted on 08/13/2004 8:11:38 AM PDT by bubman
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To: bubman

NEVER be ashamed of being Canadian. The lib government in NO WAY truly represents what Canada was, is or can be. They are an embarrassment to Canada and an insult to all that is good in this country. I just wish more Canadians would come to realize this.


20 posted on 08/13/2004 8:27:40 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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