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Another Passenger from Flight 327 Steps Forward With Disturbing New Details(Part V)
Womens Wall Street ^ | 8/12/04 | Annie Jacobsen

Posted on 08/11/2004 10:32:23 PM PDT by sockmonkey

This is Part V of the ongoing series entitled “Terror in the Skies, Again?”

A few days ago, WomensWallStreet.com received an important email. It was from Billie Jo Rodriguez, another passenger who was on Northwest Airlines flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29. Billie Jo is a Certified Public Accountant living in Oxnard, California. She had some additional, disturbing information about flight 327 that she felt someone needed to know. She had been so terrified by what happened on the flight that she sent two emails to the Department of Homeland Security telling them about the experience, but she hadn't heard back from them. Then, through a series of events, she heard about my article, "Terror in the Skies, Again?" She and I have had numerous conversations and she is willing to share her story on the record. The following interview is based on conversations Billie Jo and I have had, as well as a discussion she had with my editor.

ANNIE: Where were you sitting on flight 327?
BILLIE JO: I was in seat 21-C. Three of the Middle Eastern men were sitting right near me --- the man in the jogging suit [with Arabic writing] was in the aisle seat right behind me (22C), another man from the group sat right next to me (21-B) and another man from the group sat one row in front of me (20-E).

ANNIE: Tell me what the men were doing that was out of the ordinary?
BILLIE JO: It was when we were up in the air and they started walking up and down the aisles. And the eye contact. The thing that really got me was the eye contact. It was so subtle. If you know somebody, you look at them. You nod your head.

(Excerpt) Read more at womenswallstreet.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesafety; airplanes; anniejacobsen; det; dhs; dryrun; fam; fbi; flight327; homelandsecurity; ice; jacobsen; jihadinamerica; koranimals; lax; northwest327; nw327; nwa327; probe; terrorintheskies; terrorists; waronterror
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To: Tactical

Okay always helps to have a realist to work with. Give us your best scenerio, include the reasons for the apparent order they went to the restroom. The contents of the "full" mcdonalds bag location. ( marshalls checked the garbage and there was nothing in it. SO.... give it a shot would enjoy hearing your insights.


121 posted on 08/17/2004 12:36:34 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Melas
I'm sorry, we're obviously off on the wrong foot. I think the heart of our disagreement is that I think the story here is exaggerated and overblown, and you don't. In a nutshell, some passenger freaked because people were using the bathroom too much.

I think this alert business and the obvious threats America is under effects us all in different ways. I'm not a guy that is going to go out and start something with anyone. On the other hand, I find it hard to let myself be bully'd by terrorists and it drives me nuts to see someone pushed around. I just don't believe in that way of treating people.

I bet we tend to agree on this more than our writings have shown. And, I'd bet you'd be willing to defend yourself and others as well. With what's written in this article, I am concerned that the Air Marshall's didn't ask those folks to settle down and have a seat and put everyone's fears to rest. What everyone very well could have been looking at is pure cultural differences. I don't blame them at all for getting spooked.

I think most of us here aren't willing to let ourselves be victims. But only a handful are willing to act if it were to come down to it. Terrorists on the other hand, well that's a different mentality. I just think American's need to better prepare themselves and put themselves in various scenarios in advance and try to figure out what they are going to do to protect themselves. If taken hostage, we're dead anyway, so I'm in the corner for doing something.

Good exchange of thoughts.

122 posted on 08/17/2004 7:47:02 AM PDT by Tactical
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To: Walkingfeather
Personally, I think that if these things happened on that flight, those guys were either just testing security or part of a plan. Or.... they were just having fun screwing with the passengers. Neither is cool.

Maybe the guy went into the restroom to eat lunch so he wouldn't have to share it with the other guys? But someone should have confronted them at some point after the flight and found out what the answers were. Hopefully someone did.

I kind of imagine the FBI or Homeland Security checked all of this out and are working a case where these guys are involved, so now they're tight lipped about it. We'll only hear about it if the AG files on someone.

123 posted on 08/17/2004 7:54:08 AM PDT by Tactical
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To: Tactical

I agree, I know for a fact that the Feds stance is to deny since it is a time of war and they are doing it in the interest of the people and commerce. Something we have to live with.


124 posted on 08/18/2004 8:40:35 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

Walkingfeather your theory was VERY astute in light of the Russian explosiona...Belated BTTT. I've got to back track and read ALL the Flight 327 threads.


125 posted on 08/27/2004 8:35:14 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: WestTexasWend

The basic fact is, numerous passengers on that flight were terrified by what they perceived as a threat.


126 posted on 08/27/2004 8:42:21 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: lainde

I think it is a fair assumption that the crews wouldnt look into the septic tanks of the craft from the toilet side. Which I would imagine would have a larger hole than the drain hole. Especially since the passager sitting near mr. Mcdonald Bag smelled of toilet chemicals when he returned to his seat with an empty Bag and no trace of the contents in the garbage of the toilet.


127 posted on 08/27/2004 10:18:56 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: lainde

I just emailed Homeland Security my theory. My be true maybe not. I figure it would take 2 hours to check the tank from the toilet down with a flexible sewer cam, if they find nothing, we got to find that Mcdonalds bag guy and ask him to work for a waste managment service to take care of our landfill problems.

The other thing I would ask the air marshalls is ... the guy with the limp or dragging his foot, did you look at the wear marks on his shoes? If he is dragging that badly through a north american tour he has got to be showing it on his shoes. If not? Why not? If this guy was with an enterage of musicians and the Feds followed them to their gig, was this guy still limping? I dont know ....?


128 posted on 08/27/2004 10:45:29 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: Walkingfeather

Great points. Wish YOU could replace Mineta!


129 posted on 08/28/2004 4:02:48 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: lainde

yeah don't envy his job. As `condi rice said. " We have to be right every time, the terrorist only have to be right once".

he is my theory that I posted to the other thread so people dont have to dig for it.

Since the guy with the Mcdonalds bag was preceeded by all the other guys going to the toilet, and then returned to his seat smelling of toilet chemicals.....

I dont know if a bomb could be placed but here is my theory you tell me what you think....

1.Each guy goes to the toilet and unscrews One bolt around toilet

2. Then Guy with Mcdonalds bag goes to bathroom. Gets contents of Mcdonalds bag from stash point from catering company that is past security.... like a garbage bag in a bathroom placed by an insider custodian. Takes it right only plane.

3. Since the previous 14 guys basically unscrewed the toilet he removes the toilet, sets the bomb and spends the rest of the time rescrewing the toilet down.

4. Air marshalls search toilet can not find contents of mcdonalds bag..... because it was put directly into sewage tank

5 It is atatched to the tank somehow and does not block the drain to the outside.

6.Waterproofed Bomb goes Boom months ahead of time.

That is the only way to explain the fact that the air marshalls could not find anything extra in the bathroom and the guy smelled like toilet chemicals when he returned to the seat. Bet the bomb or package is still in the sewage tank of the plane.

Action to take.... call Northwest and tell them to do a physical inspection from the toilet side down into the septic tank, using a flex video cam if need be.

The above is my theory nothing more.


130 posted on 08/28/2004 8:07:04 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: weegee

Would you like some mustard on that dog of hot?

131 posted on 08/28/2004 8:18:57 AM PDT by killjoy (The sky is falling and I want my mommy.)
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To: Walkingfeather
I dont know if a bomb could be placed but here is my theory you tell me what you think....

By any chance were you fascinated by Rube Goldberg as a child?

132 posted on 08/28/2004 8:22:27 AM PDT by killjoy (The sky is falling and I want my mommy.)
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To: sockmonkey; All

To me,

the odds are . . . what . . . 99.9999%

that they were AT LEAST doing a dry run of the sort of thing the Russians just experienced from little numbers in rear toilets.

Any other conclusion is wellllll,

a SKERRY

kind of mentality.

Keep the idiot away from the White House! Influence any fair minded liberal you can!

Print and hand out potent FR docs on the Traitorous idiot!


133 posted on 08/28/2004 8:31:58 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: killjoy

Who is rube goldberg? Like I said this is a theory. This forum is to bring together our ideas and thoughts. Those that mock and criticize are cowardly souls that are not willing test their metal by stating their beliefs for others to examine.

If I am wrong what have I lost? Your respect? I think I can afford to lose something of such little value.

If on the odd balls chance I am right? How many lives would be saved? On that day where will you and your smugness be?


134 posted on 08/28/2004 8:38:20 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: Quix
the odds are . . . what . . . 99.9999% that they were AT LEAST doing a dry run of the sort of thing the Russians just experienced from little numbers in rear toilets

The odds are about the same no one on this thread has ever heard of Occam's Razor.

135 posted on 08/28/2004 8:41:30 AM PDT by killjoy (Waiter, there's a terrorist in my soup)
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To: Walkingfeather
Who is rube goldberg? Like I said this is a theory. This forum is to bring together our ideas and thoughts. Those that mock and criticize are cowardly souls that are not willing test their metal by stating their beliefs for others to examine.

You are missing the main point. If you are planning some sort of attack, you are going to go about it in the most direct way you can. You are not going to play around and introduce so many variables. Each variable you introduce makes the plan that much more likely to fail. Almost exponentially. The scenario that you propose would stand such a high chance of failure it would never work.

If someone is going to plan an attack that requires this much planning and coordination, there are much better ways to go about it that will give them a bigger bang for the buck (pun intended). Why sacrifice this many operatives to simply blow up a plane? If this could be done by one person, Richard Reid or the Chechen bombers, there is no reason to get more people involved.

Terrorists strike at targets of opportunity, they do not go out of their way to make themselves targets. This is the same problem that we have with the stupid ID checks at airports. If you are a terrorist, you are going to make sure you have all your paperwork in order. The ones that are going to get caught up in it are the normal people who forget their wallet at home.

136 posted on 08/28/2004 8:52:32 AM PDT by killjoy (Waiter, there's a terrorist in my soup)
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To: killjoy

You sound like O's razor is

a kind of what--4th law of thermodynamics.

I consider it an aid to logic, reasoning--but not an immutable law.


137 posted on 08/28/2004 8:55:46 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: lainde; Walkingfeather
Great points. Wish YOU could replace Mineta!

I wish anyone would replace my local airport's namesake...

138 posted on 08/28/2004 9:00:56 AM PDT by null and void (Kerry can't cut the mustard...)
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To: Walkingfeather
Rube Goldberg designed complicated devices to do trivial things:


139 posted on 08/28/2004 9:09:43 AM PDT by null and void (Kerry can't cut the mustard...)
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To: Oztrich Boy; All

FYI, this was all I could find online at the time those 3 students were stopped:

Omer ISLAMming an online poll. There are still some other messages by him cached on Google but this one only still remains in my FR posts. Even my older FR threads don't come up in the Google search.




Re: Fwd: Fw: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)


Omer Choudhary (xxxxx@mizzou.edu)
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Seriously, everone go to this website Milia sent and vote for the Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him. I just went and voted and apparently, Alhumdullilah the most votes are for the Prophet (PBUH) right now, at 20,352. Second place is Jesus, with 5,026. So we're way ahead but the more the better. I also want to point out a very important thing. Many of you will think that we don't need to worry about some stupid vote to prove or show anyone that Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Him is really "Number One".
Agreed. However, stop and think for a minute that the amount of people around the world that are influenced by these same magazines, programs, and surveys will also think that "Hey, how did this person win? What's so special about them...etc etc". So the idea is that this is also a way, (a big way), to attract people's attention to Islam and to what the religion is all about, rather than them being bogged down by stereotypes they hear from the media, etc. So please go and vote at this website:

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/Millennium_People/MillP_ReligPhilos.asp
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"Life Is Goooooood!"
-Omer J. Choudhary
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On the other hand, Omer DID believe that Iraq/Saddam was making WMDs!

http://www.students.missouri.edu/lists/muslim-l/0126.html

As-salam-alekum. I understand what you're saying and I absolutely
agree with you.
You must understand, first and foremost...that I am NOT, by any
means, justifying what America or ANY other country is doing (Muslim OR
non-muslim).
Please take what I write/say at face value. I mean only to inform
those who are interested and may not be very familiar with the events.
NO, what is going on in other muslim countries is not right...but
that isn't the issue I am discussing. But, my e-mail, as I stated in the
beginning, was not meant to defend anyone...I said I think everyone should
know the history behind the events occurring today.
Many things you wrote are apart from the issue of discussion:

1. Other nations ARE NOT producing anywhere near the amount of
weapons that Iraq is producing. The issue here is mass production of
weapons that can do a lot of damage all over the world, if used.

2. Clinton's impeachment...whether it is postponed or not, doesn't matter.
I really don't think this is the issue. Like I said earlier, this is a
United Nations plan, not the United States own.


3. You said, "How come Saddam lives and Iraqis die." If it was possible
to get close enough to Saddam to kill him, don't you think somebody
would have done it by now?


4. The Prophet PBUH and the Khalifa used to fight with swords...we're
talking major major weapons.


In short, the idea is not to discuss overall viewpoints. I'm not
expressing my own personal VIEW. This is just what's going on right now,
and I only wanted to let anyone who's interested know about it.
I understand all your points about Muslims all over the world, and
I also agree with you. But as far as what's going on in Iraq, the
decision was the United Nations' and not the US's. The only reason Iraq
is the area of concentration is because of the large capacity these
weapons have to cause destruction.



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"Life Is Goooooood!"
-Omer J. Choudhary
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140 posted on 08/28/2004 9:19:38 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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