He won it on election night. He won the state mandated recounts. He won EVERY recount done by EVERY media outlet. It was GORE he took matters to the courts to try and overturn the results.
If Gore had been able to win his home state, he wouldn't be whining about Florida.
Get the book "At Any Cost" by WA Times author Bill Sammons.
Also, there were 6-7 recounts and media recounts, some after the SCOTUS ruling, and Gore lost every one....
How 'bout "He won on election night and in every recount."
There have been three separate audits of the Florida election by various networks, and in each case Bush won by more than the official election results showed.
i tell them that "yes, he stole florida and he's going to steal it again and there's nothing you can do about it!" ... and then i laugh really loud
"George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes — more than triple his official 537-vote margin — if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election."
because you aren't going to change their minds anyway
I usually favor:
"Leahy off"
"Get a life"
"The New York times even concluded Bush got more votes in Florida than albert."
All the info you need is in post #2. The Miami Herald did a recount and declared Bush the winner as did other media outlets.
Find Nat Hentoff's archives. He posted a succinct column in the Village Voice (?) in December 2000 that laid out the Constitutional argument in favor of GWB's actions, and against algore's interpretation of the FL fiasco. Given that Hentoff is a left/liberal, his opinion should be respected by your brother.
Agree with him tell him were getting ready to steal it again.
Call the men with the white jackets. Anybody who keeps visiting that issue is delusional.
Good post. On a related note when you hear (some) minorities talk about Flori-duh you hear them say "we were disenfranchised" "we weren't allowed to vote" etc. etc.
While this is almost certainly not true, it's something they seem to believe.
Of course it's hard to prove a negative (or is it disprove a negative?) but how does one respond to this argument?
Note that this has nothing whatever to do with counting or recounting - this minority viewpoint says that they never were allowed in to the polling places so they never got as far a having their votes counted (or not).
GW won on election night and in every recount. End of story. Anyone who can't read and understand all the news articles about this has to be a dimmy dem with a closed mind. Truth counts. Only with conservatives and pubbies.
If he's your brother, just punch him in the middle of the back until the wind is knocked out of him. Then tell him if you hear any more liberal drivel out of him you'll do it again twice as hard. That ususally works.
Just point out that it was Gore who went to court to get the election law changed after the fact. The Bush stance (upheld by the USSC) was only that the law should be followed.
How about this?
http://www.latimes.com/la-111201recount.story
See also Dave Kopel's thorough bashing of MM's assertions on this issue in "Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11" :
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
Send em to the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html?ex=1092369600&en=5a6cba4c1b4b66f8&ei=5070
November 12, 2001
Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER
Acomprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.
Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff — filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties — Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.