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Need Succinct "Bush Stole Florida" Rebuttal
11 August 2004 | Lando Lincoln

Posted on 08/11/2004 12:45:43 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln

We've all been there.....a relative that insists some sacredly held leftist point is correct. In this case, it is my brother - who has far more conservative views than he knows. Well, in this case, he is convinced that Bush stole the election in Florida. Anyone who can direct me to a factual summary of those painfully long events, it would be greatly appreciated. I believe my brother to be intellectually honest and the "pesky facts" may sway him.

I only on the rarest occasion post vanities. Any help is appreciated.

Lando


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2000; bushstoleflorida; floridarecount
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1 posted on 08/11/2004 12:45:45 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln

He won it on election night. He won the state mandated recounts. He won EVERY recount done by EVERY media outlet. It was GORE he took matters to the courts to try and overturn the results.


2 posted on 08/11/2004 12:48:05 PM PDT by The G Man (This election is a choice between a War on Terror and a Negotiation with Terror.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

If Gore had been able to win his home state, he wouldn't be whining about Florida.


3 posted on 08/11/2004 12:48:27 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleBoy
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To: Lando Lincoln

Get the book "At Any Cost" by WA Times author Bill Sammons.

Also, there were 6-7 recounts and media recounts, some after the SCOTUS ruling, and Gore lost every one....


4 posted on 08/11/2004 12:48:29 PM PDT by eureka! (May karma come back to the Rats and presstitutes in a big way....)
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To: Lando Lincoln

How 'bout "He won on election night and in every recount."


5 posted on 08/11/2004 12:49:51 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

There have been three separate audits of the Florida election by various networks, and in each case Bush won by more than the official election results showed.


6 posted on 08/11/2004 12:49:57 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Lando Lincoln

i tell them that "yes, he stole florida and he's going to steal it again and there's nothing you can do about it!" ... and then i laugh really loud


7 posted on 08/11/2004 12:49:57 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed USA Today 05/15/2001.

"George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes — more than triple his official 537-vote margin — if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election."

8 posted on 08/11/2004 12:50:44 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Lando Lincoln

because you aren't going to change their minds anyway


9 posted on 08/11/2004 12:50:44 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it)
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To: Lando Lincoln

I usually favor:

"Leahy off"

"Get a life"

"The New York times even concluded Bush got more votes in Florida than albert."


10 posted on 08/11/2004 12:50:47 PM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

All the info you need is in post #2. The Miami Herald did a recount and declared Bush the winner as did other media outlets.


11 posted on 08/11/2004 12:50:53 PM PDT by no dems (Ignorance is "bliss"; and every Democrat I know is "bliss-tered".)
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To: eureka!; Lando Lincoln
I second the recommendation of Sammons' book. The problem will be getting the oblivious to get through it...
12 posted on 08/11/2004 12:51:49 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Find Nat Hentoff's archives. He posted a succinct column in the Village Voice (?) in December 2000 that laid out the Constitutional argument in favor of GWB's actions, and against algore's interpretation of the FL fiasco. Given that Hentoff is a left/liberal, his opinion should be respected by your brother.


13 posted on 08/11/2004 12:51:49 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: Lando Lincoln

Agree with him tell him were getting ready to steal it again.


14 posted on 08/11/2004 12:51:55 PM PDT by Unicorn (Two many wimps around The democrats would rather win the WH then win the war-Tom Delay)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Call the men with the white jackets. Anybody who keeps visiting that issue is delusional.


15 posted on 08/11/2004 12:52:07 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Lando Lincoln

Good post. On a related note when you hear (some) minorities talk about Flori-duh you hear them say "we were disenfranchised" "we weren't allowed to vote" etc. etc.

While this is almost certainly not true, it's something they seem to believe.

Of course it's hard to prove a negative (or is it disprove a negative?) but how does one respond to this argument?

Note that this has nothing whatever to do with counting or recounting - this minority viewpoint says that they never were allowed in to the polling places so they never got as far a having their votes counted (or not).


16 posted on 08/11/2004 12:52:45 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Lando Lincoln

GW won on election night and in every recount. End of story. Anyone who can't read and understand all the news articles about this has to be a dimmy dem with a closed mind. Truth counts. Only with conservatives and pubbies.


17 posted on 08/11/2004 12:52:51 PM PDT by tioga (Flush the johns in '04!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

If he's your brother, just punch him in the middle of the back until the wind is knocked out of him. Then tell him if you hear any more liberal drivel out of him you'll do it again twice as hard. That ususally works.


18 posted on 08/11/2004 12:52:55 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Lando Lincoln

Just point out that it was Gore who went to court to get the election law changed after the fact. The Bush stance (upheld by the USSC) was only that the law should be followed.


19 posted on 08/11/2004 12:53:13 PM PDT by kevkrom (My handle is "kevkrom", and I approved this post.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

How about this?

http://www.latimes.com/la-111201recount.story


20 posted on 08/11/2004 12:53:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("I don't have time in my life to read potato chips" - Netmilsdad)
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