[wideawake]

Don't include that liberal scumbag Lincoln in with the great presidents.

Lincoln managed to preserve the Union.

Whether one loves or hates his methods, the US's existence as one nation is owed primarily to his efforts.

He will always be one of the greatest US Presidents because he managed not to be the last US President.

[bankwalker]

he managed not to be the last US President.

Nonsense!

The U.S.A. would have continued to exist without Abe's war, it just would have been several states smaller.

[Protagoras]

Lincoln managed to preserve the Union.

Yeah, and ain't it great. Since we will never know how the world would have been with a different outcome it's not possible to say it was a good thing.

He will always be one of the greatest US Presidents because he managed not to be the last US President

Good Presidents don't ignore the constitution and cause the death of at least 600,000 people for a dubious concept.