[bankwalker]

he managed not to be the last US President.

Nonsense!

The U.S.A. would have continued to exist without Abe's war, it just would have been several states smaller.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

- bankwalker said: ------
Nonsense!

The U.S.A. would have continued to exist without Abe's war, it just would have been several states smaller.

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EXACTLY!

The USA never stopped existing, it was just halved.

For four years there were two countries.

Lincoln INVADED a foreign country, conquered it, and expanded the US into its borders. Pure and simple.

Lincoln also took a whiz all over the Constitution and created the central Federal government, trampling state sovereignty and rights in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I was born in 1966 in AMERICA -- all this happened before my time and I am an American. But I won't whitewash history to make Lincoln out to be something he clearly was not.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

The U.S.A. would have continued to exist without Abe's war, it just would have been several states smaller.

In time, the South would have learned the error of their ways and returned to the union.

That's what the Democrat version would be.

[wideawake]

The U.S.A. would have continued to exist without Abe's war, it just would have been several states smaller.

And a house that has had one of its outer walls ripped away would still continue to exist, it just would be better-ventilated.

The US is not the US without the South. That's not what the founders envisioned and that's not how Americans think of their country.

[barryallen]

ya and we would have just lost those lame southern ones which we don't really need anyway.