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***Fact: In 25 Years It Will Be Washington, Lincoln And Bush 43***
Stardate: 0408.11

Posted on 08/11/2004 7:08:05 AM PDT by The Wizard

And that's the REAL reason the demonrats hate GWB: not only is he everything they hoped billyboy would be, he will be remembered for planting the seeds that grew into peace to the Middle East.....

Washington was the Father of our country, and Lincoln freed the slaves, and GWB started the journey that will eventually bring peace to this troubled part of the world, and the rats hate him for it, so much so, that I wouldn't put ANYTHING past them.......

The real democrats, who controlled the party when Tip was the Man, lost control to the clintonistas, and he was so bad, the party regulars fled as the goon squad came in to defend their leader......

But as I sat watching Rummy from Afgahistan today speaking about 9 million folks so hungry to vote they risk their lives to register, it told any logical man that so it will be in Iraq, and all the other kingdoms throughout the world.....

The time of kings is over, now is the time of the little man, and he never had a stronger, braver friend than Ronald Reagan or GWB......

While not asking for this honor, GWB had it blown up on him on 9-11, and the world will be a safer, better place when this is done.

God Bless and protect GWB....


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To: bankwalker

I'll second that!!


221 posted on 08/11/2004 1:01:01 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Democrat=lights off and everyone home)
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To: sheltonmac
I will concede - as did men like Robert E. Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson - that the South should have freed the slaves before resorting to secession.

Great...except that neither Robert Lee nor Thomas Jackson ever conceded anything like that.

222 posted on 08/11/2004 1:01:34 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Old Sarge

#1 I owe you no apology for expressing my opinion openly and honestly.

#2 You do owe me an apology (which I don't expect to get) for your accusations about my character.

#3 Your military service never entered into it and it doesn't entitle you to anything special in terms of your views being better than anyone elses. You're an American (I assume) and that's enough.

#4 The CSA didn't threaten the US Government, so it was not an insurrection. They exercised their RIGHT to secede from the Union and tried to do so peacefully. They did not violate the Constitution in any way, shape, or form because once they seceded they were no longer subject to it.

And you took that quote out of context. You were trying to claim that I was pulling some troll stunt.

YOU stand corrected.

Now be mature and let it go.


223 posted on 08/11/2004 1:01:42 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf; Darksheare
Good tips.

Don't bash Bush.

Don't be a Bushbot. I am probably the only freeper that thinks the guest worker plan has some merit.

Don't tout Kerry's greatness.

Don't feed the troll zombies. Darksheare and I own several of those.

If a Freeper with more than 1 year at FR calls you on something, make sure you said what you meant. Lack of facial expression and voice inflection make the internet a dangerous place.

Last if you get beat up ping me I'll help you if it makes sense.

Coming to FR is like an LEGAL immigrant coming to American. We have a culture and you are welcome to find your place in it. Just don't try to make us change. We are old and cranky and own guns.
224 posted on 08/11/2004 1:02:29 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: bankwalker

Yeah, but would any liberal ever make that statement that I made? :)


225 posted on 08/11/2004 1:02:50 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf
OOOOooo, now you woke the giant....

It was better left unsaid...

I would have never done what you just did....

226 posted on 08/11/2004 1:03:36 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Democrat=lights off and everyone home)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

Too skinny.


227 posted on 08/11/2004 1:04:00 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I have to come to the reality that the Civil War was uncalled for.

I agree. Lincoln shouldn't have started it.

228 posted on 08/11/2004 1:04:14 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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To: Skooz
I have always suspected that hating Lincoln was a religion to you people; now I know it for certain.

Intergenerational emasculation.

229 posted on 08/11/2004 1:04:15 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: bankwalker

I said that too.


230 posted on 08/11/2004 1:05:30 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

Hillary Clinton?


231 posted on 08/11/2004 1:07:24 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf
Yeah, but would any liberal ever make that statement that I made?

Well, ya know how those liberals like to LIE. ;)

232 posted on 08/11/2004 1:07:30 PM PDT by bankwalker (We are having a cultural civil war and our side had better win it.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Is Old Sarge a moderator or something?

If so, then he should be wise enough that he was being responded to in the context of his postings as he was not presenting himself as an "official" of this site.

I respect him for his service, but he played that card without warrant.


233 posted on 08/11/2004 1:08:19 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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To: sheltonmac
However, that doesn't mean secession wasn't within their rights as free and independent states.

Lincoln himself spoke of the right of political communities to secede when they were repressed.

There is no Constitutional right to secede in the same sense that there is no Constitutional right to enjoy vanilla ice cream: it is a situation about which the Constitution is silent.

There is, as Lincoln postulated, a moral, extraConstitutional right to secede.

However, the only material issue over which it was impossible to permanently compromise was not so much slavery as the expansion of slavery.

The Founding Fathers knew this, which is one of the reasons why the Constitution abolished the slave trade.

Absent the expansion of slavery, there was no matter of contention between North and South powerful enough to inspire a permanent separation - the nullification controversy proved that even the tariff was negotiable.

234 posted on 08/11/2004 1:08:26 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

You mean Hitlary?


235 posted on 08/11/2004 1:08:49 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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To: scott0347

Who is that!?!


236 posted on 08/11/2004 1:11:14 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

The Constitution says you're wrong.

Grow up yourself and move out of the past - your precious Dixie lost its illegal war, and their leaders were insurrectionists.

My military service compels me to thanklessly defend the rights you and others so blithely wave in my face. I have to walk on eggshells every deployment, because of people like you who whine about illegalities and past wrongs.

You are in no position to judge me, and I am in every position to judge you.

And you have been found wanting.


237 posted on 08/11/2004 1:11:23 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My military service is honorable - whether you agree or not...)
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To: Old Sarge
Get that chip of your shoulder son.

Don't call for lightning on fellow conservatives so quickly. The poster has explained himself.

238 posted on 08/11/2004 1:17:21 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Old Sarge

Hey Old Sarge,

Just curous, how do (US Constitution, Art. I, Sect. 8, clause 15), and (Art.I, Sect. 10, Clauses 1 and 3) refer to secession? I see guidelines for commerce and national defense (insurrection and invasion having the express purpose of supplanting the present government). The southern states wanted out of an agreement and believed they had the right to make that choice.

This is not intended to bring forth the dragon, although Skooz is pretty flamed out about now. I was under the impression that secession was not directly addressed in the constitution, but implied by the declaration of independence.

Semper Fi,
Pete


239 posted on 08/11/2004 1:17:25 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Government might not be too bad...................if it weren't for all the polititians!")
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To: Old Sarge

And your attitude is a disgrace to our armed forces Mr. "old Sarge" Kerry.

You read what you want to read like a liberal. I've been very clear that I am an AMERICAN and that this is an intellectual debate (why you joined in is beyond me).

The Constitution backs me up completely. But like uncloseted liberals, you want to spin it to say what you want it to say and get judges to imagine the rest. Big supporter of Roe vs. Wade, aren't you?

What you really are, I cannot say because the rules prevent profanity, but think Democrat mascot and you'd be about right. If you walk on eggshells, it is probably because you're afraid of being shot by your troops who are loyal to America -- not anything I've said.

You accuse me, child, of things that I've never done and you must be tranferring your own personal thoughts to me. I've whined about not one thing today, only pointing out historical fact. But you broadbrush paint me as being something that I am not.

I am in a position to judge you, because of the words you post here. I don't judge your military record, except when you flaunt it here like Mr. Kerry does. Real heroes don't need to brag about it. Real heroes are comfortable with themselves as they are.

If I've been found wanting by a closeted liberal like yourself, then fine. That's a mark of honor I would share with my conservative, patriotic brethren.

What's scary is that you are issued a gun and know how to use it. But that brain of yours is gathering dust.

Good day to you sir.


240 posted on 08/11/2004 1:19:55 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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