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Giant wave could threaten US
BBC ^ | 10 August 2004

Posted on 08/09/2004 8:34:11 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember

A collapsing volcano in the Atlantic could unleash a giant wave of water that would swamp the Caribbean and much of the eastern seaboard of the United States, a scientist has claimed.

Dr Simon Day, of the Benfield Greig Hazard Research Centre at University College London, UK, believes one flank of the Cumbre Vieja volcano on the island of La Palma, in the Canaries archipelago, is unstable and could plunge into the ocean.

If I was living in Miami or New York and I heard that the Cumbre Vieja was erupting, I would keep a very close eye on the news.

Swiss researchers who have modelled the landslide say half a trillion tonnes of rock falling into the water all at once would create a wave 650 metres high (2,130 feet) that would spread out and travel across the Atlantic at high speed.

The wall of water would weaken as it crossed the ocean, but would still be 40-50 metres (130-160 feet) high by the time it hit land. The surge would create havoc in North America as much as 20 kilometres (12 miles) inland.

Dr Day told BBC Science's Horizon programme: "This event would be so huge that it would affect not only the people on the island but people way over on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean - people who've never heard of La Palma."

His latest work on the subject has been published in the Journal of Volcanology and Geothermal Research.

On the back of this work, the Geological Society of London is to write to the UK science minister, Lord Sainsbury, to make him aware of the dangers posed by so-called mega-tsunami in the Atlantic.

The society hopes he will take the issue as seriously as he has the threat from asteroid strikes.

Scientists have known of the destructive power of tsunami - huge tidal waves - for many centuries. As recently as 1998, over 2,000 people were killed by a large wave hitting the coast of Papua New Guinea.

This was caused by an offshore earthquake. But researchers believe far bigger phenomena can be created by giant landslides.

The largest wave in recorded history, witnessed in Alaska in 1958, was caused by the collapse of a towering cliff at Letuya Bay. The resulting wave was higher than any skyscraper on Earth and gouged out soil and trees to a height of 500 metres (1,640) feet) above sea level.

Geological studies have found evidence of giant landslides elsewhere in the world such as Hawaii, the Cape Verde Islands and Réunion in the Indian Ocean.

Dr Day has identified dozens of volcanic vents in the Cumbre Vieja volcano that have been formed by successive eruptions over the past 100,000 years.

He thinks water trapped between dykes of impermeable rock could create pressures that eventually lead to the western flank of the mountain falling away during some future eruption.

Hermann Fritz, of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, which has equipment to model waves created by landslides, said: "If the Cumbre Vieja were to collapse as one single block, it would lead to a giant mega-tsunami with an initial wave height of 650 metres.

"It would have a wavelength of 30 to 40 kilometres (18 to 25 miles) travelling westwards across the Atlantic at speeds up to 720 km/h (450 mph) towards America."

But researchers caution that such a catastrophe may not occur for many decades.

"There could be five more summit eruptions of the Cumbre Vieja before the western flank collapses," said Professor Bill McGuire, of the Benfield Greig Hazard Research Centre.

"There could be 10 or there could be 20 - we simply don't know. But put it this way: if I was living in Miami or New York and I heard that the Cumbre Vieja was erupting, I would keep a very close eye on the news."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canaryislands; catastrophism; corliss; cumbrevieja; disaster; lapalma; tidalwave; tsunami; volcano
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To: asgardshill

When I first heard about this island, the same thought occured to me. But, it is just too perfect, too much like a movie script. Al Quaida is just not that imaginative. They aren't reading this, are they?


81 posted on 08/09/2004 9:55:31 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Palladin
You missed it. The Day After Tomorrow was all the rage for a weekend or so.


82 posted on 08/09/2004 9:57:16 PM PDT by xp38
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To: FormerACLUmember
The wall of water would weaken as it crossed the ocean, but would still be 40-50 metres (130-160 feet) high by the time it hit land.

Surf's up !


83 posted on 08/09/2004 9:59:59 PM PDT by pyx (Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one.)
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To: swilhelm73

"I have a hard time believing that an explosion/landslide off the coast of Africa could cause a tsunami to travel all the way across the Atlantic ocean.

Remember that we are talking thousands of miles travelled here and that such a wave front would spread out to devastate the entire east cost of the New World. The energy required for that would just be, IMO, impossible to create with a simple landslide."



Remember that the earthquake in Alaska travelled around the planet either 5 or 7 times. The tsunami killed many people in Japan. The energy of the wave travels along the bottom of the ocean, where at those densities and pressures, nearly 100% of the initial energy transfers. It is NOT evident on the surface....At least not until all that energy begins racing up the continental shelf, where it would become slightly visible. At shoreline, however, we would witness a wave or series of waves that were indeed 500-600 meters tall. Yes, 1900 feet tall. And yes, moving at nearly 400 miles per hour.

The Navy has installed instruments to detect the energy of a tsunami on the ocean bottoms, so there would be some warning. How many would believe it is up for questions.


84 posted on 08/09/2004 10:17:05 PM PDT by datura (The Difference Between a Democrat and a Communist Is????)
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To: AGreatPer
Does anyone really live on Hierro?

People live on all of them. And only La Gomera, if I'm not mistaken, has no airport (there's no area flat enough for one).

85 posted on 08/09/2004 10:35:03 PM PDT by phroebe
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To: D Rider

Damn, I really need to think these through a bit more.


86 posted on 08/09/2004 10:44:28 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Conservative, Republican, Raider Fan)
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To: GeronL
Wouldn't the wave go in all directions??
For a millisecond, yes. However, the cliff behind the fallen side would reflect the energy/waterwave forward.
AS for the article, I think I saw this on the Discovery channel last year. They did a week of disasters, including spacebourne body collisions, megatsunami, megavolcanoes, solar flares, hurricanes and tornadoes.
87 posted on 08/09/2004 10:55:40 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: ScottinSacto

I already have one about a nuke going off at yellowstone park, which is an active caldera.


88 posted on 08/09/2004 10:58:08 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: socal_parrot
paiging Laird Johnson. Forget about an arctic storm producing a 100-foot wave. Try something 15 times larger. Sure, you will die, but it would be one hell of a way to go.
I, on the other hand, like most denizens of NYC, will die parked on some highway, cursing Robert Moses for not building more.
89 posted on 08/09/2004 11:03:55 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: xp38
I'm thinking the wave from Deep Impact would be a better model.
90 posted on 08/09/2004 11:04:50 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

For sure; the Bush administration is using this to get his poll numbers up and postpone the election in November.


91 posted on 08/09/2004 11:07:58 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I've gotta go - I need to save the wild ponies on Assateaque Island!


92 posted on 08/09/2004 11:08:49 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: corkoman

(tee-hee) and how's Cuba going to fare? (tee-hee)


93 posted on 08/09/2004 11:09:53 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

"...women and minorities hardest hit."


94 posted on 08/09/2004 11:10:00 PM PDT by Redcloak (Kids, drugs are bad. Mmmkay?)
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To: sc2_ct

Does this mean Pittsburgh will be the new Miami of America?


95 posted on 08/09/2004 11:13:09 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: fhayek

Ok, and he won't tell us til after the election.


96 posted on 08/09/2004 11:16:26 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: FormerACLUmember

I saw a tv program about this hypothetical disaster. Last year sometime, maybe on Discovery channel? Fascinating show. Not sure their science is what it should be, though.


97 posted on 08/09/2004 11:24:11 PM PDT by Graymatter (Countdown---85 more days.)
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To: rmlew

I missed that one too but I did see When Worlds Collide and Crack in the World as a kid so I got my apocalyptic dosage while young.


98 posted on 08/09/2004 11:43:59 PM PDT by xp38
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To: FormerACLUmember

And from the west

Scientists closely monitoring Yellowstone. 200 degree ground temperatures reported.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050165/posts

Sodom and Gomorrah Rediscovered
http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomfound.htm


99 posted on 08/10/2004 12:16:35 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: per loin
By rough estimate, NY is about twice as far from the Canaries as London.

The difference is that when the wave hits the shore in England -- it will ravage the south-western coast (remember the western most part of Portugal and Spain would protect England to a large extent.

Lisbon may be hit, but if the landslide pushs waves out west from the islands they may not affect Europe too much at all. It would hit the Atlantic islands first.
100 posted on 08/10/2004 2:27:22 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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