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Immigrants Raise Call for Right to Be Voters
NY Times ^ | August 9, 2004 | RACHEL L. SWARNS

Posted on 08/08/2004 9:42:44 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Aug. 8 - For months, the would-be revolutionaries plotted strategy and lobbied local politicians here with the age-old plea, "No taxation without representation!" Last month, some of the unlikely insurgents - Ethiopian-born restaurateurs, travel agents and real estate developers in sober business suits - declared that victory finally seemed within reach.

Five City Council members announced their support for a bill that would allow thousands of immigrants to vote in local elections here, placing the nation's capital among a handful of cities across the country in the forefront of efforts to offer voting rights to noncitizens.

"It will happen,'' said Tamrat Medhin, a civic activist from Ethiopia who lives here. "Don't you believe that if people are working in the community and paying taxes, don't you agree that they deserve the opportunity to vote?''

Calling for "democracy for all," immigrants are increasingly pressing for the right to vote in municipal elections. In Washington, the proposed bill, introduced in July, would allow permanent residents to vote for the mayor and members of the school board and City Council.

In San Francisco, voters will decide in November whether to allow noncitizens - including illegal immigrants - to vote in school board elections. Efforts to expand the franchise to noncitizens are also bubbling up in New York, Connecticut and elsewhere. Several cities, including Chicago, and towns like Takoma Park, Md., already allow noncitizens to vote in municipal or school elections.

But in most cities, voting remains a right reserved for citizens, and the prospects for the initiatives in Washington and San Francisco remain uncertain. The proposals have inspired fierce opposition from critics who say the laws would undermine the value of American citizenship and raise security concerns in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Washington's mayor, Anthony Williams, has expressed his support for extending voting rights to permanent residents, but has yet to garner a majority of supporters on the 13-member City Council. In San Francisco, critics have questioned whether the law would violate the state's Constitution.

In this city, where Ethiopian restaurants and El Salvadoran travel agents dot many urban streets, advocates argue that permanent residents are paying taxes and fighting and dying for the United States as soldiers in Iraq while lacking a voice in local government. They describe the ban on immigrant voting as akin to the kind of taxation without representation that was a major cause of the American Revolution.

They also note that the United States has a long history of allowing noncitizens to vote. Twenty-two states and federal territories at various times allowed noncitizens to vote - even as blacks and women were barred from the ballot box - in the 1800's and 1900's.

Concerns about the radicalism of immigrants arriving from southern and Eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries led states to restrict such voting rights. By 1928, voting at every level had been restricted to United States citizens. Today, some argue, those rights should be restored to noncitizens.

"They're paying taxes, they're working, they're contributing to our prosperity,'' said Jim Graham, the councilman who introduced the bill here. "And yet they're not able to exercise the franchise.

"This is part of our history. A lot of people don't know what the history of this nation is in terms of immigrant voting; they don't understand even that localities can determine this issue. It's a very healthy discussion.''

Critics counter that the proposed laws would make citizenship irrelevant and pledges of allegiance to the United States meaningless. It is a touchy political issue, particularly in an election year when many politicians across party lines are lobbying for support from Hispanic voters, and many politicians have tried to sidestep it altogether.

Democrats have most often sponsored the initiatives, but some also oppose them. In Washington, where Congress has the right to override city laws, some Republicans said they would try to overturn the immigrant voting bill if it passed.

"Is it really too much to ask that American citizenship be a prerequisite for voting in American elections?'' Representative Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado, asked in a letter to members of Congress last month.

"One of the things that differentiates American citizenship from simple residency is the right to vote,'' said Mr. Tancredo, who rallied opposition to the bill. "The passage of this measure would not only blur that distinction, it would erase it - allowing as many as 40,000 aliens in the District of Columbia to vote.''

In San Francisco, some critics have also argued that the proposals raise security concerns. Louise Renne, a former city attorney in San Francisco and a longtime critic of the concept, recently raised the question of whether terrorists would soon be allowed access to the polls. "If noncitizens can vote,'' she asked reporters, "can Osama bin Laden vote in a school election?"

Advocates for noncitizen voting rights dismiss concerns about threats to national security, noting that several countries, including Belgium and Ireland, allow noncitizens to vote in local elections. New Zealand allows permanent residents to vote in local and national elections.

They argue that immigrants will still aspire to citizenship because it is the only way they can vote in federal elections. And having the right to vote, they argue, will help noncitizens feel more politically engaged and committed to this country.

"A lot of communities are not represented by representatives who reflect the diversity in their communities and are responsive to their needs,'' said Ron Hayduk, a professor of political science at the Borough of Manhattan Community College and an advocate for immigrant voting rights. "It raises basic fundamental questions about democracy.''

In Washington, Connie Mann, a 44-year-old permanent resident from Namibia, is already dreaming of voting for the mayor. Sergio Luna of Guatemala, a community outreach specialist for the city, hopes to improve this city's struggling schools, where his son is a student. "If we have the opportunity to vote for the school board, the Council and the mayor, we'll be making some changes,'' he said.

Mr. Graham, who was applauded by his Ethiopian supporters last week for introducing the voting legislation here, says he believes the bill will become law, even if it not this year. He says he needs the support of only two more members of the Council and is working to woo them, even if that means reintroducing the legislation next year. Lobbying Congress, he said, would be the next step. "This is not a 50-yard dash issue,'' he said. "This is an issue you just have to keep working on.''


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Connecticut; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
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1 posted on 08/08/2004 9:42:45 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This is getting ridiculous...


2 posted on 08/08/2004 9:46:17 PM PDT by ECM
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To: neverdem
Immigrants Non-Citizens Raise Call for Right to Be Voters
3 posted on 08/08/2004 9:47:04 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (When Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, his son murdered 2,000 people in the Abu Gharib prison in *one* day.)
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To: neverdem

immigrants....it used to be they fled their countries to get away. Now they come here just to screw everything up.

Looks like we need a Boxer Rebellion soon.


4 posted on 08/08/2004 9:47:18 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Kerry lied and if elected people will die.)
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To: zip

ping


5 posted on 08/08/2004 9:49:49 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: neverdem

Of course, when the OECD monitors our elections they will assume that illegals, felons, the dead, etc. should have the right to vote.


6 posted on 08/08/2004 9:50:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental management is critical to national survival.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
PING! It will happen,'' said Tamrat Medhin, a civic activist from Ethiopia who lives here. "Don't you believe that if people are working in the community and paying taxes, don't you agree that they deserve the opportunity to vote?''
7 posted on 08/08/2004 9:51:12 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Bogey78O
Looks like we need a Boxer Rebellion soon.

The boxer rebellion resulted in a total humiliation of China by foreign powers. Perhaps a different analogy would be better.

I do agree that letting non citizens vote is absurd.

8 posted on 08/08/2004 9:51:17 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: neverdem
This is wrong on so many levels.

The U.S. is finished as a sovereign nation if we allow noncitizens to vote in any election, whether it's on the local or national level.

9 posted on 08/08/2004 9:53:09 PM PDT by Allegra (It depends on what the meaning of "is" is......)
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To: ECM

If I had my druthers, only property owners would be allowed to vote. As it is, the recipients get to out-vote the taxpayers, (and there are more recipients every hour.)


10 posted on 08/08/2004 9:56:39 PM PDT by holyscroller
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To: neverdem
"Don't you believe that if people are working in the community and paying taxes, don't you agree that they deserve the opportunity to vote?''

Ummmm...no. Nobody forced you to come here. Go home if you don't like it.

I'm working in Iraq now and have been all year.

Ya think they'll let me vote in their national elections that are scheduled for next year?

Riiiiiiight....

11 posted on 08/08/2004 9:56:46 PM PDT by Allegra (It depends on what the meaning of "is" is......)
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To: neverdem
When I visit someplace else I pay all sorts of taxes (gas, airport, hotel, sales tax, etc.). Should I be able to vote in their elections if they coincide with my visit?

Ignore their whiney demands.

12 posted on 08/08/2004 9:57:16 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: neverdem
Immigrants can alredy vote in local elections. They can immigrate here legally, reside here for 5 years, be of good moral character, speak English (unless exempt), pass the citizenship test and pledge allegiance to the United States of America.

Not a tough thing to do, if you think voting in local elections is important for your American citizen school age kids (one usual argument about why it's bad immigrants can't vote). You should be in the country about 5 years before they go to school anyway, if the kids are citizens because they are born here.

As for illegal immigrants, well, they should be voting back in their home country where they belong in the first place, before legally immigrating here.
13 posted on 08/08/2004 9:58:54 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: neverdem

Well, we should all apply to vote in Mexico (if you throw out the rule of law in one place, why not everywhere?).

Lets see, 10%+ of the population of Mexico has come here, leaving about 102 million there (voting population much smaller). With well over 100 million voters we could rule Mexico by the same logic!

If not, why not?

If this ridiculous stuff can go one way, why not both ways? The rule of law, you say? Mexico does not permit us to vote? Well why not??????

Does this suggest something about letting Mexicans and others vote here? The details are left as an exercise for the student.


14 posted on 08/08/2004 9:59:26 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: All

This is absolute insanity.


15 posted on 08/08/2004 10:00:22 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: neverdem

Well, we should all apply to vote in Mexico (if you throw out the rule of law in one place, why not everywhere?).

Lets see, 10%+ of the population of Mexico has come here, leaving about 102 million there (voting population much smaller). With well over 100 million voters we could rule Mexico by the same logic!

If not, why not?

If this ridiculous stuff can go one way, why not both ways? The rule of law, you say? Mexico does not permit us to vote? Well why not??????

Does this suggest something about letting Mexicans and others vote here? The details are left as an exercise for the student.


16 posted on 08/08/2004 10:01:03 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: Allegra
California had better watch out. They are putting sales and income tax demands on all sorts of people who do limited business in California (everything from entertainers to people selling used items at collectible or antique shows), business that can come down to just a few days a year.

Since these people have a trade association with the state (which at one time hte legislature tried to extend to ALL further mail order sales to California) these entities should have a say in California government (which is certainly attempting to tax the rest of the nation, one person at a time).

17 posted on 08/08/2004 10:01:26 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: neverdem

A friend was in the "Backroom" an hispanic bar last night. They were bashing Bush and registering voters. I asked him if he thought there were illegals present..he said, "most likely." This is in Las Vegas.


18 posted on 08/08/2004 10:06:43 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: neverdem
In San Francisco, voters will decide in November whether to allow noncitizens - including illegal immigrants - to vote in school board elections. Efforts to expand the franchise to noncitizens are also bubbling up in New York, Connecticut and elsewhere. Several cities, including Chicago, and towns like Takoma Park, Md., already allow noncitizens to vote in municipal or school elections.

WTF???

19 posted on 08/08/2004 10:06:50 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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To: Allegra

Noncitizens were allowed the vote in New York City during the 19th Century. It was WRONG then and is wrong now.


20 posted on 08/08/2004 10:09:18 PM PDT by Clemenza
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